Elon

The guy who couldn’t run a livestream on Twitter last night wants to put computer chips in your brain.

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Same guy who called a cave diver a pedo.. because the world class cave diver who was risking his life told him how his sub was crap

And he didn't want to listen to experts

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Computer chips that killed a bunch of monkeys that they tested those chips on.

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Of course there will be no law on mars that says he HAS to provide Oxygen, and if you don't have an oxygen reserve for just that occasion then really it's your own fault.

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shouldn't have spend all of your eloncoin on martian avocado toast

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Geev deese peepuhl ayuh!

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And Boeing wants to build the spaceship. Sounds like a recipe for success.

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Do it.

Then get the billionaires to fight over the "right" to go first, then sit back and enjoy some fireworks lol

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- Logitech's gonna sell some more F710s.
  
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- Sadly Musk said he's not interested in ever going to space himself.
  
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Do people really think we'll colonize mars soon?

Colonizing the bottom of the ocean would be orders of magnitude cheaper, and more practical. Same with Antarctica. And there's a reason we don't do that.

I hate to sound anal, but I don't think the public appreciates how monumentally difficult space travel is, and how it gets exponentially worse with every ounce you have to carry. Even with theoretical, morally questionable tech like fission fragment drives or whatever.

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Pressure is way harder to deal with than a vacuum, not that i think mars is happening any time soon

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- Both have unique challenges, but overall brucethemoose is right about the overall cost comparison. For instance, we could easily have a "space elevator" equivalent to the bottom of the ocean, it'd be a fraction of the cost of maintaining a freight network to mars. Pressure is hard to deal with, but not as difficult as it is to get shit out of a gravity well as dense as Earth.
  
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- The main point is the usable resources. You'd have a damn near infinite source of usable resources at the bottom of the ocean meanwhile on Mars everything would need to be scavenged or shipped.
  
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- The ocean is a lot closer though, which helps
  
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Hey.

I love doing fully realistic space flight simulators in virtual reality -- programs that run at 18-30 FPS from the sheer computational load of doing physics calculations and accurate particle collisions of light, gas flow exchanges, liquids , and such in real time.

I'm nuts and the idea of being alone on a desolate planet in a space suit is highly relaxing for me:

I did the "solo" Mars scenario.

Even with the ability to quick save and load, and manipulate the environmental conditions to be completely in my favor (best possible landing spot, best weather, optimal genetic splicing and variation for plants), I died.

Everyone who goes to Mars -- is going to die.

The moon is a different story, and a testing grounds to see if humanity has what it takes.

Recently, they cancelled an unmanned rover whose sole purpose was to go look at some moon ice, due to budget cuts.

That should give you a sense of our overall preparation level for Mars.

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- Astrophysicists do have quick save and load. They run a bajillion simulations, calculations, and scenarios before they ever touch a single bolt. You're not doing that in your game, nor is it likely that you're an astrophysicist. Some of the most highly competent people in the world work on these projects, and they plan for decades before they launch a mission. Yes, shit happens, but the chances are pretty high that they already accounted for any shit that could happen.
  
  We successfully sent people to the moon and back when the most powerful computers in the world filled an entire room, and were literally millions of times less powerful than the phone I'm writing this on. Material science and manufacturing processes are also considerably more advanced now.
  
  Putting a person on Mars will certainly be a daunting challenge, but I don't think it's one that is insurmountable. The biggest challenge is the fact that they operate on shoestring budgets compared to other major industries. Musk won't have anything to do with the actual real planning of a Mars mission. As a matter of fact, Space X has an entire department that is dedicated to keeping him away from projects.
  
  PS: what's that game called? I want to play it!
  
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- Mars Virgin cant even Matt Damon into space.
  
  lol
  
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- Didn't we all do the solo mars mission during covid?
  
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- The physics calculations aren't what makes it run at 30fps; it's more the graphic rendering. Physics are easy to do. Making them look nice isn't.
  
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Colonizing the bottom of the ocean would be harder than colonizing Mars. Not that either is a great idea, but just saying.

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- Dealing with the immense pressure would be harder. Getting the materials to the bottom of the ocean would be trivial compared to getting them to Mars.
  
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- new zealand did it
  
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I'm not aware of any reason on why we'd want to colonize the bottom of the ocean, but there's many reasons to want to become a multi-planetary species. Space exploration has also lead to many technologies being used in everyday life today.

What's morally questionable about fission fragment drives?

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- there’s many reasons to want to become a multi-planetary species
  
  Yes but it's a fantasy. The scenario where mars would be truly independant of earth is basically impossible without the far more likely reality:
  
  If we survive that long, we won't be squishy humans anymore. Uploaded, AI, genetically engineered biotech, take your pick, but shuttling regular humans around this century just doesn't make sense.
  
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- This multi-planetary species thing just won’t work. The most likely scenario is that we fail. However, if we succeed the species will split very quickly on account of Mars’ unique evolutionary environment. You would get earth humans and Mars humans, and knowing our nature as a peaceful species, I am pretty sure we’d wipe each other out in no time.
  
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- Oh and on FF drives, fhey're kind of messy and risk pollution if they fail near earth (though not nearly as much as other nuclear designs). It's fine for scientific missions, but becomes much more eyebrow raising en masse for a Mars colonization type effort.
  
  IIRC the fissile material needs to be relatively high grade.
  
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Spaceships in many ways are safer than sitting at the bottom of a ditch with 7 miles of water sitting on top of you at 30,000 atmospheres of pressure.

It's also darker at the bottom of the ocean than in space.

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- Again... it's hard to appreciate how insanely difficult space travel is.
  
  Just as an example, the lower stages of rockets are kind of like coke cans in terms of how much fuel they carry vs the actual machine itself. The engineering is insane. Just dropping a big chassis into the ocean in so much cheaper its hilarious.
  
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We should strive for being a space fairing species. Except these corporations are more likely to turn our moon into a billboard we can see on earth.

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- CHA
  
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I always was optimistic when I was young but the older I get the more I realise why we will not have fucking flying cars, Mars colonisation

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Whenever I see Elon doing something obviously evil and/or stupid, I remember back to the massive hype about him, especially one video by ColdFusion in which he constantly spoke about how Elon was an entrepeneur like it was some kind of seal of quallity or mark of trust.

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I’d argue “entrepreneurs” should never be trusted

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The guy that can’t build a useful tunnel on Earth is supposed to built habitats on Mars?

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You guys don't understand. He was DOS DOS DOS DOS DOS DOS.... sorry my brain chip reset, happy new year, what are your plans for 2023?

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So he ran out of his 640k base memory?

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I'm for boarding every billionaire onto a mars rocket and send em there for Earth's sake! Cause that's what they get anyway. A unhabitable planet where only some people with tons of money live with great technology.

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Sell all inclusive tickets for the full value of their hoarded wealth, then distribute it to those who need it the most. And instead of Mars, they land on the moon and the atmosphere vents.

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- Nah. Send em to mars, we can make a reality show out of it. They think they are the smartest most productive people, let's watch and see.
  
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Tbf, he would've also had an entire team of professionals there specifically to make sure this exact thing didn't happen

And he STILL fucked it up

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Y'mean all the experts he fired?

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I imagine most of the actual professionals have left or been kicked out at this point.

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As I learned from Heinlein, you treat others with respect in a vacuum. Especially if there's an airlock nearby.

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It's not like he would be out in space/on mars.

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- We only send the best to space.
  
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- He hasn’t been to space, has he? I’ve always been curious why 🧐
  
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- It's essentially the same thing as far as ambient pressure and the human body is concerned. Just 0.006atm.
  
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The guy who couldn’t run a live stream on twitter last night sells people „self driving” cars.

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I actually don't think it's a big deal that there were technical problems, there were millions of people trying to get in at the same time. What I don't like is him lying that it was a ddos attack.

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What's weird to me though, is if they were just overloaded at the time, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to just say that and sound like you're super popular and in demand, than to make up some fake attack? I guess persecution complex beats ego stroking.

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- It’s perfect for him and Trump: they’re victims, for one, and the “radical left” is out to silence their critical message.
  
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I can imagine the people responsible for the tech lied to Elon that it was an attack, so he doesn't fire them

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Musk isn't in charge of projects at Space X, he just reaps the rewards. Space X has an entire department that does nothing except to keep musk from meddling in projects.

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Space X has an entire department that does nothing except to keep musk from meddling in projects.

It's still a company where egon murks had his hands in, so no warranty is given that ANY department there achieves anything they "claim" to do, want, can, should, would but blame others to sabotage or such, same with that department. period. There was murks in it once, you never now when some shit he pooped there would hit the fan or the oxygen generator.

Do you want a "claiming to provide oxygen" system on mars or would you rather want the ACTUAL oxygen no matter who is in charge, claims to be or not but delivers it anyway?

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Don't worry, he'll die of old age before he could get to see humans even reach it.

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Yeah it'd be more accurate to say that he wants to defraud taxpayers out of billions of dollars by promising tech that is centuries away from being feasible.

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🫣

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I forgot all about this. But also. "Give these people airrr"

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Sounds like a future episode of Black Mirror which will throw shades at a certain narcissistic billionaire who runs a Mars colony and ran it to the ground.

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Cmon Elon, give these people air

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He ran a live stream with like 8 million concurrent users and close to 1 billion views over a short period of time. But keep your hate circle jerk going.

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