“Vote for your ethics”: Libertarian VP nominee explains why he doesn’t think it’s a wasted vote
"Vote for your ethics": Libertarian VP nominee explains why he doesn't think it's a wasted vote
Libertarians are just awful Republicans. It doesn't hurt them any to have you throw your vote away.
I think everyone who was going to vote for trump but is feeling doubt should pick a third party candidate to vote for instead.
And I think everyone should vote for who they feel best aligns with their personal values. Regardless of party affiliation.
People should do what they think is best, based on their own situation (region, district, needs, etc) and beliefs(what they think should happen, what they can ethically stand, etc). In this election, I think Trump is a dangerous (personally and politically) and incompetent enough figure that conservative people should deliberately throw the election to force their party in a different direction.
My personal belief is that government is a tool, and my vote will go to the person who seems most likely to enact policy that aligns with my values.
You’ve made a series of very poor choices to end up as a libertarian VP nominee.
He should be considering rehab, not explaining things to people.
I upvoted purely for the Winger comment. Hilarious!
I'm def the nerd Green guy; I don't even know what ditchweed pinners are, but I'm assuming weed?
What’s the plan, friend?
That's the mistake several posters have made about me. There is no "plan."
I read interesting political news, and I post it to this Lemmy political news community. I've also posted Socialist articles too.
I am Green (tho lean more socialist), but that's not the only political news I read, nor is it the only political news stuff I post.
This sub gets plenty of pro-democrat articles. Having a little diversity is good.
Having said that, I expect many replies saying that I'm really a Trumper, that I'm posting things to spoil the election, etc.
But before people lose their shit and start saying that, Libertarian party voters usually take away Trump votes; NOT democrat votes, if they wanna play the "spoiler!" game.
This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy, and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are. It seems like rage bait and every one of their posts gets massive down votes but then you see their comments are all like "well I respect your opinion but I disagree'... I really can't tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.
Absolutely rage bait. Imo the language might read as non combative, but in application it feels like just a blind to slip a ban. Read through some of their exchanges with Mx. SMCF; it's pointing a hand in somebody's face and using the 'I'm not touching you' of defenses.
I post articles about libertarian issues and green party issues. So people from both sides of the debate are pretty mad about it.
But note, I didn't write the news articles. If anyone has a problem with the content, they can bring it up with the authors/editors of the news articles. I just post what I see.
I get hateful remarks every day. And I try to remain civil. It's not really any deeper than that.
I don’t see any reason to think it isn’t genuine. I’ve met plenty of people who feel this way.
But either way they must have incredible patience to deal with all the abuse they receive!
You can tell when you engage and ask questions that require actual thought. Bring up the fact that many third party candidates have been shown to literally be in the race to confuse voters or pull votes away from other candidates, and they no longer want to engage, attempting to steer the conversation away from that topic.
The fact that they won’t even acknowledge it happens, which is an objective fact, is proof enough for me to believe that’s what they are attempting.
You should see my DM's! These public ones are bad enough, but oy! The private ones are borderline creepy. Tho the guy who keeps insisting every day that I am getting paid in "russian bitcoins" and that I live in a mansion with Putin is funny. Crazy, but funny.
So it's not so much patience, its that I just don't take any of it personal.
What's even more fascinating to me tho, is the amount of anger I get for posting a news article about a third party. It's not like I write the articles. And it's not like this sub is ONLY for pro democrat articles.
I post about libertarian stuff and the trump gang gets mad at me and calls me names. I post green party stuff, and the Harris gang gets mad at me, and calls me names.
I will have to say the Democrat people actually get more mad at me than the republicans, tho. Which I was def not counting on.
This dude is on a one man quest to promote third parties on Lemmy,
So do you think we need even more articles on the awesomeness of the Democratic Party?
and the crazy thing to me is how generally non combative and polite they are.
So I should be more rude?
I really can’t tell if this is just a master level troll or some deep cover Russian op.
OR it could just be that I belive in third parties. I don't write the articles, I just post them. I respect your opinion, but if you feel any of my articles have broken community rules, please bring to attention fo the mod team.
Okay so hear me out on this since you seem to care about third parties... I think if you legit have the objective of getting 3rd parties included long term you need to support ones that have down ballot options, the greens very rarely do but LIbertarians almost always have at least someone for governor or senate or at state levels, so while i don't actually think Libertarians are the better option (Althought i'd rank them above Republicans), I think if you want to support the general idea of 3rd parties, the most pragmatic choice is to support libertarians. This WAS my strategy for elections I didnt care about till 2016 (i'm in a solid blue state which also plays in, I'd vote different if i wasnt).
Maybe its because I'm older, or maybe its actually just the legitimate threat of fascism, but after Trump won his first term I switched to pretty much fully supporting democrats. I'll probably still vote third party for future elections that i think don't matter but I consider the people behind Trump too big of a risk at this point. I think defeating Trump would actually also help Third parties in a sort of way because if he wins everyone will fall in line behind him but if he loses there will likely be a pretty big rift among the right and some portion of them are going to move to the Libertarian party.
While I'm probably more ideologically aligned with the platform of the green party, I dont think they have any realistic chance of making a positive difference. They seem to not really have great leadership or enough support to run down ballot candidates. It will be interesting to see if RFK or Cornell West do worse then Stein but I kind of doubt it
Honestly though, with biden dropping out and walz getting picket for VP, I'm genuinely optimistic about the democratic ticket now, sure they arent perfect and they will need to be under constant pressure from the left to do the right things, but personally they've earned my vote at this point.
Anyways, I hope you don't get banned, I'm really curious to see what you post AFTER the election is over.
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Voting your ethics is what the primary is for. Voting strategically is what the final vote is for.
For me personally, I vote ethics at both times.
But I respect and support your viewpoint for sure.
Is it ethical to cast a third party vote that lets the least ethical candidate with the election? It seems to me that such a decision undermines the point of ethics. Sometimes a compromise is the most ethical thing to do.