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YouTube now vs then

Enshittification @lemmy.world YouTube before vs. after massive corporate, profit-driven enshittification

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What irks me most is the kids content. That should have been a separate site altogether and it's ridiculous that 'non-kids' content gets more strictly regulated for fear they might hear a swear word. Especially considering how much weird shit gets pushed at kids intentionally that youtube doesn't appear to care about (looking at you elsa-gate).

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- Elsa gate is why stuff gets restricted so aggressively nowadays.
  
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  What is Elsa gate?
  
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- The regulation is never meant to "protect" kids. It's the advertisers, it's always and only the advertisers.
  
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- Also videos that weren't intended for kids but superficially looked like they were got involuntarily flagged as such and had their comments removed.
  
  A separate site would have been a much better solution.
  
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  fucking hate that shit, i came to this episode of a tv show i used to watch so i could TALK ABOUT IT IN THE COMMENTS
  
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No demonetisation? The REAL old YouTube didn't have monetization to begin with!

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- Even then they posted videos online to show otherrs
  
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- I wish we had YouTube alternatives other than just political ones (rumble)
  
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  I recently heard of odysee and was surprised to find out that some big channels like Veritasium or Fireship seem to already be on there
  
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  Floatplane?
  
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  @humble_pete_digger @Tja #Peertube
  
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The only way we'll get Peertube mass-adopted is by monetizing is it

P.S monetisation != ads

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- At least integrating PeerTube with something like LiberaPay or Open Collective would help somewhat with creator monetization. The platform itself still needs to make money somehow, which is pretty complicated with large video files and many concurrent streams in high resolution and bitrate. I think PeerTube shouldn't try to hide the fact that it's based on the BitTorrent protocol, maybe that way more people would download torrent files for videos and seed them on their servers or personal machines using a simple torrent client, instead of requiring them to spin up a full PeerTube instance and setting up federation.
  
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  What PeerTube is BT based 😮 Based on what you are saying, can you just seed the normal torrent files to help, or would one need their own PT instance?
  
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- Or maybe making it stable with easy content discovery. Right now it is impossible to find content on it and a lot of the content is low quality to begin with.
  
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I weirdly get some videos recommended to my by very small channels (like 30-60 views per video). I asked several people around me but none of them seem to be getting that kind of recommendations.

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- I kind of like getting those recommendations its usually either a fairly normal person or the most unhinged shit.
  
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- A while back YT rejigged it's algorithm to give weight to channels with small subscriber amounts
  
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- I get the same for like half a year, recently I get live streams with about 5 viewers recommended.
  
  While I feel like recommendations got a bit better in the last two years they are still nowhere near where they've been 10 years ago.
  
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- Been catching a LOT of those watching shorts, been digging it.
  
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- Same, on desktop at least, even though I often klick the no fuck you button
  
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- I do, but have set ReVanced to filter those suggestions out.
  
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- I get them too. It's quitr refreshing to see some low subscriber ytbers
  
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it recommends things that you'd watch, here's some videos from my recommendations:

are you only looking for videos via the trending tab?

though most of the other points are valid, I just wanted to point this one out because it seems obviously wrong, I remember that I used to never see low-view videos when I first used youtube

some of the points I agree with, I am not a youtube shill

shorts should never have been added, it is obvious that youtube was just chasing trends again when it was added

no dislikes: youtube removes a good feature for no (good) reason (their ego); they did the same for:

community captions, making disabled viewers stuck with the shitty auto-generated captions while youtube partnered with captioning companies so that they could sell youtubers captioning services

new annotations, followed by removing the old ones after telling people that they would not be deleted

demonetizing youtubers for swearing, this is likely a reaction to the repeated elsagate scandals, where ad companies pulled their ads, hurting youtube's revenue, (and therefore causing less money towards creators) in my opinion this is likely youtube trying to keep up a facade towards ad companies despite:

not being able to solve the many elsagate videos that continue to exist on their platform, especially in languages other than english
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My only problem with this is that YT Shorts aren't a shitty TikTok clone because TikTok was the worst possible version of Vines.

TikTok was malice incarnate. It was made to be a weapon.

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- Was it?
  
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  Why else would the Chinese government want to run a US social media site?
  
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Youtube has been recommending me some videos with small amounts of views lately so that might have changed something with the algorithm

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- Yeah I keep seeing recomended vids with under 1000 views
  
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if this meme didn't mention tiktok i would guess it was from 2017. who even talks about elsagate anymore?

also anecdotal but personally i would say the visibility of small channels have gone way up these past few years. the amount of videos with very low view counts i see in my feed has gone from basically non existent to half of my recommendations.

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- I mean I talk about it every now and then, my kid was being shown those videos when they were young. I keep YouTube off any TV's or the kids tablets because YouTube was so irresponsible. For all Disney's and Netflix's faults I'd much rather the kids watch something that's been at least better curated than whatever the hell YouTube kids is.
  
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The YouTube kids app is so incredibly useless in order to comply with government regulations that all our kids use our accounts. Which also sucks.

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- How do you monitor your kids online? 😥 /genq
  
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  @P4ulin_Kbana I'm a good parent. The kids are with us all the time, if they were doing something they weren't supposed to I'd know. Honestly, I tink I'd rather they be doing something nuferious than watching annoying kids videos, alas they prefer to watch the later too often watching other kids play scream and play with toys that we already bought that they never play with.
  
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Don't forget that half of old youtube was rickrolling

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- I like that LLMs are now rick rolling people. There have been cases where it replies with a link to the video
  
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When being a youtuber became a job rather than a hobby

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Tobuscus

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Guessing by kids we're talking about young children and not teenagers because old YouTube was practically made for teenagers. The more popular layouts people used back then often had the same aesthetic as myspace pages. There was more gaming content on the site than anything else, followed by viral vids (=3).

There's a lot to dislike about the modern structure of the platform but as a grown adult I appreciate that there's a much larger variety of content now which was essentially what the shift in design was supposed to achieve.

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Lololol the videos are slop.

👌👍 Meanwhile screeching because of ads and I have to pay.

If that ain't a deep rooted addiction I don't know what one is lololol

Meanwhile in this thread discussion on how to steal shitty forgettable content via peer tube. Copium is real folks.

Elsewhere on Reddit/Lemmy, nerds screeching about how big tech acts as loss leaders to stifle the marketplace.

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- It must be an AI. One which does not know what peertube is. No human could be that stupid.
  
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  👌👍 Meanwhile screeching because of ads and I have to pay.
  
  And what the hell is this line? Is this supposed to be English?
  
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  "Everything I disagree with is an AI" - peak Lemmy.
  
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