NYC car addict sues after his $315K Lamborghini supercar gets ticket from noise camera
NYC car addict sues after his $315K Lamborghini supercar gets ticket from noise camera
A Staten Island driver is suing over a “noise camera” ticket for his $315,000 Lamborghini — saying the fine should be dropped because he didn’t modify the supercar to make it louder.…
According to city violation data aggregated by the popular website How’s My Driving NY, Aquilino did receive two tickets on that same day in the West Village for blowing through a red light and speeding in a school zone.
Supercars should be on racetracks, where they were designed for, instead of public roads. And Aquilino definitely should not be driving them on public roads.
It's pretty stupid that the law went after modifications, instead of just saying noise above x decibels is the issue.
147Actually, the law does just say "above 85db" is not allowed. Doesn't matter if the car is stock or not.
73Can you source this? I tried looking it up, and I found this
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/newyorkcity/latest/NYCadmin/0-0-0-209188
and
https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01102
Which seem more concerned about how far away you can hear a vehicle from, rather than a specified decibel rating (But maybe that's just a simpler way to measure decibel?)
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They're not designed for racetracks. They're also faster than Formula 1 cars in certain regards. But make no mistake they are still designed for road use. There's no CarPlay on racetracks.
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Fun fact: any stock car that is this loud has something called an “exhaust valve” or a cutout. It’s an electronic device that adjusts the sound of the exhaust. Responsible super car owners only open this valve on the track, or in other appropriate places. I hope they repossess his little toy.
99It is no coincidence that the valves typically open in "sport" or "race" modes and in "street" mode the valves are closed.
42I don't know if this is well known, but Lamborghini has a track record of loud exhaust, period. Regardless of valve state. Huracan Performante owners requested that Lamborghini make the next special edition a little quieter. Reason being the Performante was too loud even on race tracks. Track day drivers know there are noise limits that vary by track. You're asked to leave immediately if you exceed the limit. You may also receive a temporary ban and/or fine.
What did Lamborghini do? Make the Huracan STO even louder across all driving modes. The company demonstrates it believes noise limits themselves are annoying. While I do like loud cars myself, sometimes a noise compliant normal or comfort mode doesn't exist.
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It shouldn't even be legal to operate an exhaust loud enough to require hearing protection.
21Well, luckily for you it’s not legal!
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"I feel that if the residents are upset by noise and the city wants to crack down on noise — I don’t disagree with it," Aquilino said. "I disagree with if a car is unmodified and you want to fine them."
Massive ego on this sack of shit. "Residents are upset by noise but if the noise is stock then it is fine."
79I understand where he is coming from. If the car is street legal, he shouldn't have gotten a fine for using it. The problem is that cars that produce such levels of noise are street legal.
60Lambos aren't quiet, but if you drive them gently then they aren't loud enough to set off the noise camera.
So this is a bit like arguing someone should be allowed to blast their music at midnight just because the speakers were legal to buy and own. If a city implements noise restrictions to protect the health and well-being of their residents then people have a legal and moral obligation to do their best to comply even if that means driving your lambo slowly through residential areas.
21Every single car you and I have ever owned, are presumably street legal, yet they can reach speeds that are illegal almost everywhere.
Similarly, every knife I have ever owned has the necessary sharpness to cut meat... yet I am not supposed to cut human meat. I am pretty certain the car would not reach undesirable noise levels if he were not speeding or revving the engine, etc. So it is more on him for HOW he is using the car and not how the car was built
So his reasoning sounds legit, but it really is not.
20Some others have mentioned there may be a distinction between levels of noise when the car is in some sort of "street" mode. I have zero sympathy if there is a street legal mode that he turned off while on public roads.
14This is still a goofy line of reasoning. If you, for example, are driving a truck equipped with engine retarder brakes, in quite a lot of municipalities you literally aren't allowed to use them because they are too loud for neighbourhoods. You risk getting a fine.
Revving a lambo is exactly the same.
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People driving loud cars are psychotic. That's a fact.
22I fucking hate these things so much. I'm not as opposed to cars as many others in this sub, i need a car for work and i have a car that i sometimes drive on the weekends. Lamborghinis especially are such a thorn in my eyes, they look like ass, they are LOUD as shit, and not under load, they are just loud all the time. They are way to wide for normal streets and the most impractical things ever. And because they are only driven by cunts, they are extra loud. Peasant cars have to follow rules, but as soon as you have enough money: well, timmy needs a v12 racecar and they are very loud, that makes sense, right?
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I found it weird he complained about “how can anyone afford this?” referring to the tickets.
First off, they’re supposed to be high to enforce the law and secondly how are you complaining about the cost while driving a $300k car around?
64Ah yes, my car is stock so I should be able to disturb the whole neighbourhood with my car.
I get it, sports cars are fun to drive, but they very much don't need to be this loud.
61I want noise cameras in my neighborhood
56Sounds like it shouldn't be considered legal for onroad use there. :/
25oooh i wish i had one of these, wanker bikers like to rev their engines down our street
23LoUd pIPEs sAvE liVEs
I literally cannot hear you in my 1.2 litre Korean shitbox you insufferable oaf
20Nor can most drivers
6I can hear them from inside a car
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But they're Sooo cool!
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Can we please get these in Vancouver? So many loud losers that just need to make sure everyone can hear how cool they are
15We need them in most residential areas honestly. I live by a main road in my town and there's so many people with these cars in the wee hours of the morning. I hate them.
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He's not exactly wrong. On the face of it, it is a legal contradiction.
NY says the car is legal to drive anywhere within the state.
Then a local government sets a noise ordnance, making the car essentially illegal to drive in that part of the state.
The conflicting laws need to get sorted out. No different than states not being able to make laws that go against federal law.If they take the same stance as State vs Federal, then the local ordnance being more restrictive than the states would supersede the state law. At the same time it could become unreasonable for individuals to research all the local ordinances they may encounter in a 20 mile trip.
So yah. It's easy to say "Asshole drives an expensive loud car and complains about the fine."
But there is more nuance and complications here that could go well beyond cars.6You could argue the same about emission zones which are common across Europe (mainly in inner cities). Just because your vehicle is allowed on the road, it doesn't you can drive it anywhere.
14Agreed. But again its a question of scale. Its reasonable for one larger city. But what about 20 small towns?
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At the same time it could become unreasonable for individuals to research all the local ordinances they may encounter in a 20 mile trip.
It is extremely reasonable. Drivers are always responsible to learn the laws of places they drive. Are you only required to follow the law of your plate's state/province? Is turning right on red in NYC okay if you are plated outside the city?
13Either the car is street legal or not, we don't need to give cops even more power to pull people over and/or ticket them. This is an unreasonable burden for a person.
3NY requires each intersections that aren't Right on Red to be posted at the light. So you know on a turn by turn basis if you're allowed or not. A noise ordinance isn't.
In larger areas sure. Knowing those things is reasonable. But if you're crossing 15 different little municipalities is it reasonable to expect people to look up all the local laws for each of them?
0Not it is not. Driver's licenses are valid in the entire country, the rules of the road should be the same everywhere.
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I'm with you. But the consequence to sort out the contradiction might be also a state-wide ban if certain boundaries are exceeded.
5That could be the case, making the car no longer street legal to buy and register in NY. That's a reasonable solution.
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But he lives in NYC (Staten Island). It’s his own local government.
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Everytime I hear an obnoxiously loud vehicle, I can be secure in the knowledge that they're just on their way to a local Grindr meetup.
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