How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
Supply issues continue to plague the industry, but these are the models that managed to reach the most buyers in 2022.
And I hate their blue-rich eye searing headlights to.
Within the "truck" class of vehicles, EPA fuel efficiency standards are based on weight. It's easier to build heavy trucks and SUVs that meet those standards, than light trucks.
Effectively, the US government legislated heavier trucks and SUVs.
I think this is USA only. Maybe mention that in the title. They don't sell half of those cars here.
I wish. More shitty American pickups in the Netherlands each year, further encouraged by a tax loophole.
I hope the gas prices bleed these fuckers dry…
It’s the same in Australia. Tax incentives given to businesses during the pandemic mixed with a large influx of yank tanks available on the market means that there are heaps of these monster trucks getting around. I honestly don’t know how they cope, the roads and parking around here aren’t designed for such large vehicles and this is out in the countryside; I can’t see them fitting in narrow city streets.
Yeah I’ve seen Trucks more often in Sweden as well as other SUVs. The most common car used to be a station wagon of some sort but it seems to be more compact suvs now too
I'm even noticing more trucks and SUVs in Japan now. There are very few of the super doody retard mobiles that seem very common in the US, but I have seen them, and there are plenty of people driving chunky Jeep and Mercedes trucks which still look too large for the streets here. I really hope there is not a trend, but SUVs definitely seem to be increasing in number.
Thankfully very small kei cars are still popular.
Ireland and the UK are headed this way, if not there already.
The pickups make everyone look like posers but the SUVs are decent enough. I drove a couple, I wouldn't say there is more space but seeing them on the road so often makes me consider it the safer option for a family car. I don't want to going under one of them in a crash. That said I only think that this is how their popularity explodes.
I wish. They are seen as status symbols in other countries and have great margins for the sellers.
We got here because fuel economy requirements are tied to the size and type of vehicle, and so it's easier to make and sell larger, less efficient vehicles.
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10562
Why make a smaller vehicle with a smaller margin that requires more engineering time to reach fuel economy standards when you can sell a larger, often more expensive vehicle that has the same fuel economy as last year's model?
Consequently they have become best selling vehicles because there are increasingly fewer small vehicles on dealer lots to purchase.
That explains why manufacturers focus on making these vehicles, but not why people aren't buying cars. There are many cars available to buy, less so than before, but still plenty.
My guess is it's that people are too susceptible to marketing. Some people see huge vehicles as a status symbol, and parents see them as safer.
A long time ago, I saw a documentary about how marketing changed. Vehicles (and everything else) used to be marketed in a matter-of-fact manner listing off capabilities, features, and specs. Now, marketing is mostly about emotions and convincing people to buy products to "express themselves." That's how they got the "anti-establishment" hippies to start spending money on colorful vehicles, new fashion items, etc.
I'm sure marketing has a significant impact, but let's also look at Ford as an example. They are ending production of all passenger cars except the Mustang, and will now only produce trucks, SUVs and other larger vehicles. I'm sure other manufacturers will follow along, reinforcing the trend of buying larger vehicles by limiting choice.
I just traded my 7 year old corolla for a suv (mainly because of awd for winter driving) This much larger vehicle has better fuel economy than that little car.
We should make a distinction between full sized SUVs and small to medium that are more like tall cars
I upgraded from an older Civic to a Subaru Forester and improved my gas mileage! I also got all wheel drive, lots of modern technology and a vehicle more suited for poorly maintained roads. Most importantly, as a larger guy with bad knees, it’s a world of difference in head and leg room. As a guy with two teenagers, it’s an actual four-seater car. I never want to go back to cars where I need to contort myself to get in and out, and worry about how uncomfortably cramped the back seat is for my passengers …. Tesla, I’m talking to you too.
So, I also upgraded to a larger vehicle, but I’m hoping this article focuses more on excessively large vehicles
Wow, what great consumer choice! The capitolists are only making the goods consumers want and cutting out the fat. Theres literally no strings attached! What an amazing system we have. /s
Stop buying bigger and bigger cars.
I drive a station wagon because I need to fit two dogs in the booth plus and entire family in the same car. But this is a transitory need. At some point I'll either get a small van, for carrying the dogs, or a small hatchback and have the backseats always folded down.
You should buy according to your true needs not market pressure.
" everyone should do thing!
But not me, I have a particular circumstance that means I need to exempt myself from the logic!
I plan to stop in the future but for now am certain!
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Everyone buying these cars has some reason that matters to them. They all believe they need it.
Myself included (similar reason, dogs, kids, family out of state that we need to help often), but I have no illusions that I took the dirty way.
The key words here are "matters" and "need".
I bought the car I have today because driving my small 4 door hatchback was no longer a feaseable endeavour when wanting to move the entire family all at once. It was an objective need, not something it mattered.
You can reply I didn't need to get a family or the dogs. You're right. But that actually mattered to me, regardless if it was an objective need.
I don't even consider a station wagon a big car anymore. And I bet the vast majority of station wagon owners actually need the space. No shot the average SUV owner needs the weight for anything other than to feel "safe" in their tank.
I think shifting baselines is a real issue with car bloat. It should be going the other way where a Focus is seen as a mid-size and the like of the Fiesta a compact rather then sub-compact.
As someone with one forward facing and two rear facing kids right now - this is so frustrating. I feel like there are so few vehicles that can hold them without busting at the seams and even our minivan makes it hard with getting kids hooked in if they are in the very back.
I can’t wait until they are all forward facing and I can open up what cars we can have.
I am the world's last sedan enjoyer.
Or buy whatever the fuck you want, because why not make one part of your miserable life slightly more pleasurable by driving something that makes you smile. In the US, 99% of us need a vehicle to commute because we don't have access to decent public transportation, so why not drive something you enjoy? Do I need a 500hp Mustang to get me to work and back? Hell no, but it sure does turn that commute into a few precious moments of happiness before I start the 9-5 grind.
Does it actually add that much to your life?
There's a big external cost, but if you spend your weekend taking it to car shows or working on it, then I get it - some people play MMO games just for the fishing minigame. If having a mustang is a big part of your reason for being, fine. Mine is to build things for the sake of learning how to build them... Does the world need an AI agent specifically made to be have a strong personality? Not really, most people aren't even ready for that so I'm not planning on releasing it publicly. But I'm burning the time and resources to make her, because the act of creation brings me joy
If it's for your quality of life... Say, your job is to drive around all day, and mustangs strangely have seats that keep you from having back pain... Fine, that job shouldn't exist but we have the system we have, and I can't blame someone for minimizing their suffering
But really ask yourself - is this actually something that makes your life better? Or does it just fit the idea you have of success created from a lifetime of exposure to marketing?
If that's the case, I'm sure you felt joy in buying it, and you feel like it's a sign of social status... But that attitude is poison. It's like burning a forest because causing destruction helps soothe the anger you have at a world that sucks because of the lack of green spaces... Sure it might soothe your suffering a bit, but it's ultimately hurting humanity in aggregate far more than it helps you. And what's worse, is it feeds the system that caused the suffering you seek to soothe
If you could truly enjoy it. Stuck in traffic, a Mustang is little more than eye candy and ego soothing.
I just want my wagons, specifically sport wagons back :(
Altezza Gita, my beloved 😍
My rav serves the function of a wagon.
Your rav four either serves the purpose of a small SUV or minivan depending on the year. The current one is an MPV based on a small van so it's literally a minivan from Japan with regular doors. It does not have the cargo space of a wagon and it definitely doesn't have the performance or handling of a sport wagon. The closest thing Toyota had in the US would be the really old Camry V6 or the matrix XRS. Maybe a Prius v if it could have had the Prius all-wheel drive prime power train.
Unless you work in construction, or have a similar need for a pickup, fuck you for buying one.
Here's a fun anecdote: I live in California, where these vehicles are (mostly) limited to those who need them. In 2018, I visited family in the midwest. We played a game of counting the pickups while walking a short trip from a hotel to a chain outlet. We hit 99 pickups by the time we got to the doors. I was irritated that we got to 99 and not 100 cause that would have been so awesome, but seriously. 99?! In just several minutes. People drive them for fashion, not for practical need.
Every pickup driver that doesn't "need" a pickup is my enemy.
My brother had a huge truck for a while. Strangely, this size actually affected his driving. All the sudden he felt justified cutting the half-mile long line to get onto the highway and cut in at the last second. "Might is right" he said. "They always let me in because they are scared of this truck."
Ugh. I hope this isn't typical but I feel like it is. I told him that was awful and he just shrugged.
A bunch of people started buying larger vehicles for "safety" reasons, believing that if they were in a larger vehicle, they'd fair better in an accident. I've heard people say their spouse isn't a great driver, so they wanted to get them something bigger that they'd be safer in. Which only makes the rest of us more unsafe. My personal wish is that we would require a separate license for today's bigger trucks and large SUVs similar to what we have for motorcycles, but require an annual test to keep the license. Make it just enough hassle to keep the license, so people without a real need start to question if it's worth the effort.
I would heartily embrace tiered licensing for vehicle weight or general size.
Even then, a van is often better and more convenient, depending on the trade.
People think the shape of a truck somehow works better in the snow
If it's rwd only like most used to be, it's fucking horrible in the snow. So now they have to make most 4wd.
FWD car in the snow works perfectly well, as long as we're not talking like a foot of fresh snow.
How do you know what people need? Also, who are you tell people what they need? You don't need to be in construction to get a truck. They are the best selling because they are the most versatile. You don't need different vehicles for different situations.
This is far from new. The best selling vehicle in the US has been the F150 for some 30+ years now and the top 5 spots have typically been pickups from GM and Ram/Dodge.
Yeah but they're like twice as big as they were even 15 years ago.
It's funny you say that because there was someone on Reddit that would argue with people who stated that trucks are a ton bigger than they used to be. Their shtick was that trucks of yore and today are within a fraction of an inch.
All lights are the debil
While I don't doubt the F150 is a leader in sales, it use to be F-Series trucks which included their commercial truck line and no other manufacturers could make that claim.
Most best selling cars
in the US 😒
Unfortunately SUVs are very popular here also, though they tend to be a bit smaller than in the US, and I even saw a few pickups, in a country where you definitely don't need one...
Partially because people are selfish narcissistic cunts, and partially because being a selfish narcissistic cunt has become normalised.
People have always been, and will always be, selfish narcissistic cunts. That's why the concept of regulation exists.
That's where the market led us. We have to accept some responsibility but I can't just build my own car when I don't find one I like.
A huge chunk of it is because the USA has a huge tax incentive for car manufacturers to make bigger cars. When fuel efficiency standards started coming in, trucks were exempted because farmers needed their trucks for farm work, it's a loophole that encourages the manufacturers to build bigger vehicles to avoid these taxes. These massive vehicles are unusually cheap in the USA. If these loopholes regarding fuel efficiency were closed out people would be financially incentivised to buy smaller cars. Unfortunately, money talks. People aren't all selfish, they're just doing what makes sense for them.
Everyone, including you, is such a cunt. It just depends what issues really matter to us.
Am I reading this wrong? By all means plenty of people who don't need trucks buy trucks.
But the majority of this list is sedans and compact crossovers? These are barely more than hatchbacks with a different name. Obviously the top few spots are dominated by pickups that have ballooned in size. Legitimate criticisms are easily made.
But after reading the title I was pretty surprised at the list because I expected lots of large SUVs. But most large SUVs are missing from this list.
Disclaimer: I am not a car person. I do not know the difference between a hatchback and an SUV, except that SUVs are bigger.
This is entirely anecdotal so take this how you will.
Having lived in another nation for a few years, the cars you are calling "compact crossovers" are huge compared to the sort of cars sold in other nations. I don't want to give too many details about where I used to live, but in that nation, roads that we would consider to be one-way, one lane roads were used as two-way roads. If you meet oncoming traffic, the rule is the smaller vehicle pulls aside for the larger one. This is in urban areas. There is no shoulder to pull onto, there is a building there. If everyone with a car owned a huge American-style car or SUV there, it just wouldn't work. Many parking places just don't accommodate for them.
Another anecdote: Despite every house on my street having a two-car garage, there are huge vehicles parked on either side of the road, making our road wide enough for one lane of traffic. These two-car garages were built in the 70s and are too small to fit two vehicles now. Either one car is in the garage and one is on the street, or both cars are now on the street and the garage is full of misc stuff. Why would a road with with two car garages for every house have such congestion problems?
IMO, More people are buying SUVs than they used to. And their "cars" are simply much larger than they used to be.
I appreciate your perspective. I've spent enough time in other countries now to vouch for your anecdote generally speaking. Though to be honest sizes are increasing in places outside the US as well. It's noticeable on repeat trips over years. Still not as big on average, but it feels like the trend is upward. The gap is not what it used to be. Something like a Corolla Cross or CR-V is taller than what you see in Europe but the footprint really isn't much larger.
Some of it I think is people being actively unreasonable, some of it is larger safety and crumple zones on newer cars, some is the simple fact that the market has shown people like bigger vehicles.
In the end though I guess my point was just that of all the vehicles on the market in the US, it looks to me like the top 25 list is dominated by those in the midrange and smaller categories relative to other vehicles on the market. Whether these are still too large objectively is a topic that can be fairly debated but the fact remains that people are buying things on the smaller end of what is available to them which runs a bit counter to the title of the post.
Only speaking to the garage thing, I think a lot of people like to think of their garages as a unfinished part of the house, rather than car storage. Same for the basement. So it's sort of luck of the draw which one gets a TV, old refrigerator, and selection of tools and craft projects and which one is used for storage.
They bracketed it funny. I think they meant (large trucks) and SUVs.
Turns out the more efficient engines make a hatchback a little bigger, creating the "compact crossover SUV".
The headlights can be angled downwards but fuck it, it's not themselves they're blinding
I’ve stopped driving my wee little Subaru at night because of these asshats with 900 lights on at roughly supernova levels of brightness.
(eyes burnt to crisps) What do mean? I drive a 2012 Renault Twingo and i'm not complaining.
Trucks have been bestselling models for literally decades.
It's because there's a 25% tariff on importing trucks. It was put in place nearly 60 years ago by Lyndon B Johnson; it's called the "chicken tax" because the excuse for passing it was as a retaliatory tariff against France and Germany taxing American factory farmed chicken.
Because of the chicken tax, fairly few foreign car companies in the US sell pickups.
And because being a "best selling" model is good marketing, truck makers generally sell very few models of truck. For example, the best selling vehicle right now is the Ford "F series". So that's the F150, F250, and F350, in all of their assorted trims. There's a couple other models they sell - the Maverick and the Ranger - but most of the trucks Ford sells are F series.
So a truck driver has been much more likely to drive a F-series for decades than a car driver was to be driving a Civic.
I just don't understand why the tariff applies to foreign cars that don't compete directly with US cars in terms of form factor
Because it's designed to protect Ford etc. from foreign competition.
Mind if hijack your comment to clarify a doubt I have?
In the early 2000's I had an acquantaice move to the US, somewhere in California.
After driving a typical american car for about six months, that person came to Europe, bought a hot hatchback, bolted on it every aftermarket part available for the car, had all the mods approved by the manufacturer and imported it, which awarded them a very high power/low consumption vehicle when compared with the standard american market, and I was told all the money spent was recouped in a few years.
Would this still be valid today?
I'm going to point one that hasn't been mentioned. Infrastructure.
Highways, roads, streets have way too many lanes that are way too wide. This encourages drivers to drive faster. Faster driving makes overall the roads and vehicles to feel more dangerous, because they are. People's response is to want and acquire larger, heavier an faster vehicles that make them feel safer in those hostile roads.
This is what contemporary urbanism is talking about when they say that infrastructure determines behavior. You can alter people's behavior by changing the shape of infrastructure.
The problem in most of the western world is that the answer of authorities (heavily misled by car and oil industry) has been to make more lanes that are wider. In the false belief that this would make roads safer. When in reality the result is the opposite. Other measures like police enforced fines, speed limits, etc. Are also useless to mitigate the lack of safety and carry a huge set of problems with them like systematic discrimination and endemic corruption.
The answer is to make narrower lanes, with fewer lanes in densely populated area, less parking, traffic calmed and car traffic banned zones. Protect bicicles and pedestrians with concrete traffic segregation. Impose aditional fees and taxes for vehicles above a certain weight and parking space take up. Those things will signal people that it's fine to drive a smaller, slower vehicle, it's fine to use public transport instead. Along with more public transport options available.
I get what you're saying, but have you ever driven in Italy? The lanes are terrifyingly narrow compared to the UK, but the drivers are far more reckless!
They just need a "guardian angel" ford f150. /s
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats 45? Canyonero! (Yahhh) Canyonero.
Twenty feet long and two lanes wide! Fifteen tons of American pride!
I dunno. I had to drive a truck over the weekend, to move 3 cords of wood. I rented an F250, which is a big truck. It was useful to have; there's no way that I would have been able to move that much wood with a smaller truck and trailer, and, if my driveway wasn't so tight, it would have been nicer to rent a larger dump trailer (I'm pretty sure that I was over the maximum load rating on the trailer for each trip).
...But it's not a fun truck to drive. Power is slow compared to the compact car I usually drive, and very slow compared to my motorcycle, steering feels sloppy, brakes are feel mushy, fuel economy is terrible, and it was so goddamn big that I had to drive very carefully to be sure that it wasn't over any of the lines on the road. Aside from the ability to move a very heavy load--greater than a ton--it really doesn't have much of anything going for it. I can't imagine why most people would want one, compared to a vehicle that allows them to react quickly.
...Or compared to functioning public transit.
Two things: First of course is one simply must have a nicer, bigger, more powerful truck than that guy.
The second thing is no, that F250 you rented wasn't comfortable. You most likely rented an F250 XL. The XL trim is the lowest, meanest, least comfortable version of Ford's trucks. The people who need their brodozer status symbol drive the fancy versions that have the soft carpet, power windows, leather seats, and a bed cover because lets be realistic, that truck bed will never carry anything more than groceries.
I have an F150 XL that I bought used. It was a rental truck from some hardware store called "Menards". It has no carpet, no power windows, no tint, steel wheels, no extended cab, no crew cab, no CD player, just a bench seat and an 8ft bed.
OMG, Menards is fantastic, and I wish we had them in the state I live in now. :(
But yeah, base model truck. But even without the being a base model, the things that make it shitty to drive are still going to be shitty.
When I worked at a bank not too long ago I got to drive the company car once and its one of those van sized 3 row SUVs with a truck bed's worth of space (probably a full 8 feet!) when the third row is folded down and holy cow that thing handled like a boat, accelerated poorly, breaked really hard and had a super disconcerting glide to the suspension.
I had to go pick up some packages for my department that the post office had said were a lot, but it turned out to just be like one seat's worth of boxes, so i couldve just driven my own car and expensed the miles, so it was a waste of a trip for that giant boat
Serious question: what's a good option if you live in semi-rural suburbs that gets snow in winter? Safety would be my main concern--something with four wheel drive and larger tires makes a difference there.
Myself commuted with a 95 Saturn SL for years out of a farm in rural Canada. People used crappy small cars for decades and still got where they need to, and today even the most basic car with basic snow tyres is extremely capable.
Needing AWD for the suburbs is a marketing myth the car sales racket wants you to believe.
Literally any front wheel drive or AWD car with snow tires.
If you ask this on any car blog, people will emphatically say that you do not NEED AWD. What you really need are a set of dedicated winter tires. Winter tires make a huge difference in snow, if you live in an area with a lot of it.
Having said this, you should check out the Car and Driver's buyers guide on their website to see what peaks your interest. Tons of great options. Subaru Crosstrek, Kia Seltos, Hyundai Tuscon, Mazda Cx-50... it goes on and on! Then check out Doug Demuro's reviews of any cars that strike your fancy. His reviews are crazy thorough and give you the best idea of what a car is like, before even stepping into a dealer lot.
I, too, love cars, so hit me up with any questions.
This right here. I drive a tiny old rear wheel drive 4 cylinder pickup which is arguably the worst vehicle for winter driving. The only thing it has going for it is that it does have a bit more ground clearance than cars. I live in Minnesota and work nights so I often get off work before the plows have cleared the roads. As long as I have a good set of snow tires on that truck, a couple sand bags in the back, and drive carefully, then it can and has trecked through roads covered in nearly a foot of wet snow like a champ. I've had to give rides to multiple people who planted their big 4x4 SUVs in the ditch with that little truck.
Also because OP mentioned it but you didn't say anything in your post, wide tires aren't necissarly better in the snow. The best winter vehicle I've ever owned was a tiny 90s Mazda pickup that actually used unusually narrow tires compared to modern vehicles. Wide tires are great for mudding or off roading because they distribute weight over a larger area and help prevent you from just getting stuck in your own ruts. However when it comes to snow you actually want to sink farther down in the snow because there is road underneath so you don't need to worry about digging ruts. So narrower tires will concentrate the weight of your vehicle better and give you a better chance of digging down to a solid surface rather than skating across the top of the snow. With wide tires they wind up distributing the same weight over a larger area so you just wind up with more less tightly compressed snow under the tires and that can make them more likely to slide in some situations.
Winter tires, then a winter driving course, then AWD. In that order.
Subaru
I love mine. I just have a little Impreza and it is a beast in the snow.
Grew up in mountainous high altitude Switzerland with pickets on the side of the road to show where the road stops, pickets were over 2m high because there was that much snow and ice and even now they are buried every winter and a machine has to come everyday to salt and remove snow from the road. My parents did just fine driving a class e break with winter tires and when weather got really shitty chains. Now that I live in the rural French country with an as shit and cold weather, I got a 4wd A6 avant with winter tires because I’m a bad driver and need to carry the kids to stuff. The husband is a really good driver and has a regular A3 with just winter tires and never crashed with it. But it was another story when he was younger and drived recklessly and totalled a couple cars. Also personally dislike suvs as center of gravity is much higher and it’s a lot more dangerous on slippery roads if you loose control at some point to regain stability.
Most Canadians get along just fine in normal FWD cars. Depending on how much you drive get all-weather tires (different than all season) or if you really want get snow tires. My previous car was FWD, current one is AWD, and really the AWD isn't necessary. Next car I'll go back to FWD.
Volvo V70
Current Subaru (other than wrx) are no better than any other front wheel drive car. They can't drive the rear wheels without the front having slip and they don't live up to the old Subaru standards of symmetrical oval drive. They also have a CVT that's only good for 60,000 miles if you like to do Subaru stuff, and they have nothing but SUVs or vans other than the WRX. It's been almost 25 years since I had a wagon so I'm not sure what their brand images supposed to be anymore since I keep trying to push that they have wagons that can go off road but they don't. The flagship outback wilderness gets destroyed off road by a mid-90s automatic and Impreza.
I wish I had an answer for you on what card to get. If you can keep the battery charged the Prius all-wheel drive and RAV4 all-wheel drive hybrid are really good. Other than that I would just get whatever you want that doesn't have an engine driven CVT.
Well, we needed a vehicle that could fit two children and related sports gear and, ideally, haul bikes at some point, and the had the cargo capacity for the yearly road trip vacation with the extended family. A small SUV was the winner as no car measured up and a true truck was overkill.
Shocking though it may be, for many, the use case may be valid.
Minivans can carry more passengers and cargo than SUVs.
Indeed, but still they are so gauche lmao
They can carry more passengers OR cargo vs a truck. I love minivans, but the only way you're getting anywhere near a pickup-truck sized bed space is by folding/removing all the seats and making it a two-seater.
And even then, you can't put anything wet or messy back there.
Pickup trucks have their upsides for people who need them.
SUV's don't make much sense to me, other than the case where you need the people space AND you need to tow something heavy.
the yearly road trip vacation with the extended family
For a once a year event, renting is almost certainly cheaper than using a larger vehicle you don't need for the rest of the year. Another option is driving two vehicles during the trip.
I'm interested in your reasoning behind cheaper.
Your assumption behind don't need the rest of the year - do you believe there are zero scenarios where the wife and I are both out and about? Perhaps... working?
You're correct - we could double the mileage / energy consumption, wear-and-tear, cognitive load, etc. on trips - or, we could not do something so ridiculous.
It sounds like something like a Volvo V70 would've been a better fit. Those beats can swallow a house, including its residents, and with a bike rack it can carry the whole neighborhoods bikes.
I don't know where the person you're replying to is from, but in the US Volvo's are very expensive to buy and very expensive to maintain. They are a luxury brand through and through. They're good cars but the average person cannot afford to purchase or maintain one.
I can't seem to find those these days - I see Volvo V60 and V90. The Volvo V60 does have a PHEV variant which does appeal but ultimately it seems to be the same form factor and capacity as a Subaru Outback or Chevy Volt; I've experience with both of those and they has far less usable storage in the back than the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV we ended up with.
As the Volt does, though, this could be a legit option for replacing that for the wife. That said, the price seems ridiculously high - over here, I'm seeing them go for ~52-58k whereas my Outlander was "only" 48.
they don't make anything else.
TIL cars like Honda Civic and Toyota Prius stopped existing
Yeah, I did a double-take on the headline and point of the article, seeing the Civic as the first on the list.
I’m not sure I agree with most, but I’m not counting: certainly they have a point.
I live in a part of the US where big cars are less common, but I’m truly amazed at the number of people driving full sized pickups as a regular car. I mean, I also think they would be useful a couple times a year but they look damn inconvenient every other day.
Just yesterday, I was walking around our town center with my kid, and we had a bit of a debate about whether a certain truck was parked on the sidewalk, or if there was a valid parking spot it was too big for and too poorly parked
It's going to be a shock to all the fiat 500, vauxhall corsa and ford Ka owners!
You drive glorified tanks or you dont get on the free(dom) (high)ways.
While we’re all bitching about this, is there anything I can do as someone with astigmatism to make driving at night less dangerous besides buying a higher car? I like my small car but it’s beginning to feel like a legitimate safety problem when I drive at night.
They make glasses lenses and contact specific for astigmatism. I've got the same problem and have been looking into it. I have found that polarized clear lenses on a non prescription pair of glasses is somewhat helpful.
Do we seriously not know to flip the rear view mirror switch at night?!?
It's the oncoming lights that are frequently a problem, as well as the headlight angle creating glare in the road, depending on conditions.
My wife has glasses for if she has to drive at night, but getting a taller car has helped far more.
What does the height of your car have to do with it? I have astigmatism and lights can be annoying sometimes but I drive a Civic and never really felt like it was a safety issue.
Headlights shining directly into the windshield. Vehicles overall are getting taller so more often than not now if you drive a shorter vehicle the headlights will be shining directly into your eyes. Not saying getting a taller vehicle is the solution but I'm pretty sure that's what OP was getting at.
Rappers flexing with driving SUVs are one cause for this trend here in germany.
i just want an EV Honda Acty truck
Gross. People don't need trucks.
Scooters and bicycles are the personal commuter vehicles for most of the world. Otherwise, ride a train or bus!
Lol
What? Why's that?
Some people do, but it's a dead giveaway when a truck bed is so small it can't hold a sheet of plywood, AND the truck is super clean AND it doesn't have any dents and scratches.
At that point it's obviously not being used for what it was originally designed for.
Because they take up too much room on the roads, make a shit ton of noise, are less safe for other users of the road, are less versatile than other vehicles. Those were the objective reasons.
Now for the subjective reasons: they're ugly as sin, expensive as fuck, the fuel cost is too high and they suck at driving in the snow.
People (Men especially) think their status in life depends on their vehicle. They just can't get over the idea that bigger is not always better. It's how you use it that matters.
In all seriousness, vehicles have been a status signifier ever since they were created and everyone loves to say that they are better(richer) than the Joneses next door. Being bigger and taller than others is viewed as good in society and in vehicles.
@centof @SlippyCliff76 I mean there's a reason they're considered "compensation"
Its not exclussively their fault. There have been years of propaganda from big auto corporations where the only way you can be a productive and resourceful man, is if you own a pick up truck. One truck commercial basically claimed if you buy their truck you immediately become more dependable, resourceful, and attractive, which ulitmately implied it would increase your chances of finding a partner.
The only nut job conspiracy I believe is that there is something in the food, water or air, that makes Americans dumb as fuck.
That's how I rationalise their love for dumb impractical cars that look tough, and why complete dimwits get so much air time, let alone can become president.
If Flint Michigan, the fact that US meat is banned from EU (and other places like China) and all the funky shit CIA has been doing has taught me anything is that you arr probably right
For decades in yhe US, there were huge V8 powered cars blowing lead exhaust into the air.
Other countries had cars, but they also had more public transportation, and the cars they had used smaller engines. Less fuel burned = less lead = fewer lead-addled moneyed old people fucking everything up.
That is primarily a US problem. Here, a pickup owner is either a gardener or an excentric.
That's true in the UK too, but SUVs sadly are quite popular
I think that compact SUV is an optimal car. It is not too big (sized like a normal car), it doesn't consume too much fuel, you can drive to the countryside (with light offroad) and it has enough space for some load and passengers feel comfortable. It can have AWD but I think that differential block is more important than AWD.
There is no such thing as an optimal car, there are less wasteful cars. 99% of the time it will only transport a single person.
Hatchbacks and wagons are cool for similar reasons, but they are barely a thing over here, sadly. At least we got a couple offerings from VW I guess.
Yes, cars have gotten bigger. And that's bad, for a heap of obvious reasons. I guess that means we need to provide stronger push-back. Somehow.
CARB needs to be changed to not incentive bigger vehicles.
That dinosaur of a policy has been around almost as long as NAFTA, right? And it hasn't been updated?
Story time. I was going back home yesterday when I saw this lifted F250 tailgating a Chevy sedan for going 5 over the speed limit (clearly the pickup wanted to go faster), so I can guarantee you that the Chevy driver will get something bigger if they can for their next car because having a monster truck right behind you seems t scare the shit out of most people so they feel safer in a larger vehicle.
I can't even bother to give a shit if that were happening to me.
I'm in your camp for sure, but I can certainly understand the feeling of needing something bigger to protect yourself too. Those massive trucks driving like idiots are a safety hazard. That, and the fact that when your face is at bumper level, if something happens, no matter how correct you are, you're still going to be pulling your teeth out of their fog lights.
Exactly. Even if we can't ban cars everywhere, there should at least be restrictions on the bumper height of a vehicle as well as the headlight height. I know here in South Carolina, they just banned modified trucks called Carolina Squats but lately I've seen more of them (because "fuck the libs" or whatever), but the punishment is a ticket, they need to be impounded and the plates only returned once the modifications are removed and pass a safety inspection.
So how long until Monster Trucks becomes road legal? I call dibs on Outback Thunder!
Just visit sunny Florida. They don't give a fuck.
With today's prices and interest, it's a terrible time to buy a car.
But trucks are often needed for work, so even though the timing sucks, so their sales have remained solid.
If idiot car journalists maybe didn't test regular, everyday non SUV cars on test tracks and then criticize them for not stiff enough suspension, not precise enough steering, not supportive enough seats etc, maybe SUVs wouldn't be the best selling vehicles. Regular people want comfy cars for everyday use and non SUV cars are increasingly not that. Also non SUV cars are significantly lower than 10, 20 or 30 years ago so much so that clearing a curb is problem. I have an Opel hatchback (Astra), out of 10 times approximately 3-4 times I scrape a curb because the car is too low. GTFO
I had an older (4 generations older) Astra, almost never scraped a curb. Also it was much comfier.
I've watched the car reviewers and they demand sooooo much. Much be sport! Must be powerful! Must have crazy acceleration! Must take 6 people linebackers and luggage! Geez how about talking for normal people.
I just want someone to make a bare bones light pickup with a single cab and a extended bed like an old ranger or S10 or something that I can haul furniture/tools/materials around on the highway with. I hate how all the pickup tracks out now are huge but they also have a short bed and tons of electronic BS I don't need...
This is more than you're asking for, but check out JDM (Japanese Domestic ic Market) kei trucks. They typically have low miles and were pretty well maintained vehicles. Some have dump and lift capabilities too. Oh and they get excellent mileage.
I'm still buying the old rangers and S-10s whenever I need a vehicle. I will continue to necromance those damn trucks back to life until someone starts making the damn things again. Until a couple years ago my daily driver was a 91 Mazda B-Series (literally just a ranger with a Mazda logo). Now I'm onto a far newer 2000 GMC Sonoma (Identical to an S-10). I don't care how many trucks I need to weld together to get one that works; the auto industry can pry light trucks from my cold dead hands!
I hate how all the pickup tracks out now are huge but they also have a short bed and tons of electronic BS I don’t need…
They're family vans masquerading as trucks.
It's an arms race to not die in a car crash.
People who are buying cars aren't the same as people who want cars.
The cars we want are so freaking expensive. And many buy used.
Where new car buyers just want that latest things.
I couldn't agree more. New car buyers want status, flash, specs, etc.
Anyone practical will just buy something 3-5 years old with a solid maintenance history and no MIL on.
There is a good Vice video about it on YouTube
TLDR or TLDW: the government did it by making incentives for suvs and trucks. Cars are regulated harsh for efficiency while suvs and trucks are exempt.
This made profit margins for suvs and trucks large, and smaller cars are almost non-existent.
Can you add a link to that video please, thanks in advanced
Gas got cheap. When gas was a fortune you could buy trucks and SUV's for cheap.
I guess that’s what happens if you call everything smaller than a Hummer “death machine”
we came willingly and funded it out of our own pockets
Superzied sounds pretty sweet
Its a funny word and inspires the idea that its better than all the other things
I want to superzie those fries plz. EPIC DECISION SIR
I saw a truck with regular old halogens the other day and it still seared my retinas. Fucking hate how tall every vehicle is now.
This is so blown out of perspective!
/img pun, I'll get my coat
last time I filled my jeep, gas was around $2.00/gal and pickups were just starting the dino-grill trend. 2020. model 3 is the quickest car I ever owned. sticker shock is real but would have been making payments anyway. still have a gas mower but looking at a robot fix for that chore. sux to be u
Those blue headlights you hate are cheap aftermarket lights, not the stock lights that come in cars.
No I hate the stock ones too
