How does this even work? (Not a meme, just bugs me) [Solved: Head Canon Satisfied]
How does this even work? (Not a meme, just bugs me) [Solved: Head Canon Satisfied]
I realize the universal translator is just a hand-wave to avoid the "Aliens Speaking English" trope, but there are at least some basic rules established for it:
When it translates, it will use the closest approximation in the database, it can learn as it hears more of a new language, it's apparently a neural implant (at least with Ferengi), and probably a few more that I'm missing.
Does it keep the original speaker's voice, tone, inflection, and in this case, melody? Does Kira hear Vic singing in perfect Bajoran or is the universal translator belting out Frank Sinatra in Lwaxana's voice? Do the lyrics still make sense with the computer translation?
I very rarely complain about the UT, and I enjoy the Vic Fontaine component, but I just have a hard time combing the two lol.
Sometimes I wish they would have gone with a "standard" language like Space Esperanto that just sounds to the audience like English rather than the UT.
Update: I completely forgot Federation Standard existed, and that's probably the language Vic is using, and Kira is very likely fluent due to her time spent on DS9. It's kind of a retcon since that wasn't mentioned until DIS, but I can live with it.
I don't disagree with the criticism of translating and somehow meshing interplanetary context to music/literature. However, there's a point where you gotta roll with the plot magic. Don't ask how the restrooms work. If you haven't used the 3 seashells before, I can't help you.
27Truth, lol. And I do choose the weirdest hills to nitpick and die on 😆
Kira does just kind of smile and nod as he's serenading her and Odo, so I'm gonna believe she just heard a pleasant voice/melody in her direction and was being polite.
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Space Esperanto
That could be the case here. Vic may be singing in Federation Standard (aka English) and Kira /Odo have learned it after hanging out with the Federation for the last six to seven years. Considering their backgrounds as people who lived in multi-lingual societies (from the Occupation), it wouldn't be the strangest thing for them to pick up a new language with some off screen effort over the years.
16Vic may be singing in Federation Standard (aka English)
Wait a second.... You're telling me that in the future there's peace on Earth and we don't need for money or food or anything and the standard language is (effectively) English? And the French are ok with that? GTFO. 😂
10Oh, I don't doubt that many of the characters are polyglots; Kira would definitely be likely to be fluent in multiple languages for all the reasons you said. Perhaps that is the case here specifically, and Vic is singing in Federation Standard.
I also forgot that Federation Standard existed. That's on me 🤦♂️
9No worries. I think you have a valid point and it could also be a weird UT thing going on where Vic's words are translated idiomatically and not literally.
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Did someone say Space Esperanto?
7The Federation Standard is a New Trek creation, so maybe the rules wouldn’t work. Doubt anyone living in a non-Federation world would bother learning it.
Secondly, in “The 37’s”, the cryogenically frozen humans from the 1930s each hear people speaking their native language due to the universal translator.
7Doubt anyone living in a non-Federation world would bother learning it.
Right. I guess the UT would still be needed, but only for edge cases. After being reminded it existed, I looked it up. Pike mentions he's surprised the Terralysians speak it. I'm suspending disbelief with Vic being a hologram (and could have been programmed to speak it) and Kira and Odo picking it up over the course of 7 years on DS9.
“The 37’s” ... each hear people speaking their native language due to the universal translator.
That part I can accept at face value since it's just speaking. Now if Amelia Earhart had broken out into some anachronistic Pat Benatar, I'd have had several further questions lol.
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The UT can also tell somehow when the speaker doesn't want their words translated. Anytime Worf says something in Klingon, or any Vulcans talk about their culture, they're able to say their words as they normally would.
It must have some kind of ability to translate meaning, not just words. That's probably why in Lower Decks it's able to translate some Tamarian now. Once they started working with the Federation, we were able to teach the UT some context for their metaphors.
The real question is, when Quark uses a human idiom, is he actually saying that, or is it a translation of a similar Ferengi phrase?
4Yeah, I always wondered how explicit Klingon made it through the UT unchanged, lol.
when Quark uses a human idiom, is he actually saying that, or is it a translation of a similar Ferengi phrase?
Most characters, I'd guess it was massaged through the UT. With Quark, though, it could probably go either way. He's frequently interacting with a diverse crowd, so he probably is pretty fluent or at least capable in an array of languages. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he was using the idioms directly rather than having Ferengi phrases translated.
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Its mental
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