Telegram Sparks Outrage Over FAQ Changes Even as Key Language on Private Chats Remains.

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Despite Telegram removing a line claiming all chats are private, another part of its FAQ section still retains the language.

Telegram is no longer safe for piracy.

I bet they will start kicking out piracy channels in few weeks.

I am going to delete my account now as it will become useless soon anyway.

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They have bigger issues than piracy, e.g. csam, malware, and other criminal activity. But the age of no moderation whatsoever is over it seems.

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- Yeah csam can go away. Everything else can stay though (although it won't.)
  
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  The "other criminal activity" probably includes many horrible things. Not just a teen selling shrooms. So, I am not so sure that's really what we want.
  
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Fuck this is exactly what I was worried about when the arrest happened

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Telegram published a statement on X/Twitter that they are not changing any policy. The just removed misleading line in their FAQ, that stated that you can't report private chats (which you always could).

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- Cool. So a huge nothing burger and grossly misleading title. Good job OP!
  
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  Telegram adds option to let users report content on app two weeks after CEO Pavel Durov's arrest After almost 2 weeks of CEO Pavel Durov's arrest, Telegram will start moderating private chats as well.
  
  https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/telegram-halts-end-to-end-encryption-for-personal-chats-two-weeks-after-ceo-pavel-durov-was-arrested-2594919-2024-09-06
  
  this all seem confusing, there's no such thing as "private" chats on Telegram, only secret chats which are E2EE, well even their encrypting is questionable
  
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what are other options?

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- Matrix. It can be self hosted, federated, and has encrypted chat rooms.
  
  Anti Commercial-AI license
  
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  But terrible handling of metadata. Which is the case for all chat apps AFAIK. Like, even with OMEMO, who talks with whom, and when, can be exposed. Which sometimes is enough to get legal issues (e.g. Ola Bini's case)
  
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  I want to like Matrix but it has some serious usability issues (at least Element does, its flagship client).
  
  I haven't used Revolt but looks a lot more polished.
  
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  I tried a Piracy group in Matrix and there was less than 100 users...and the only active poster was a bot (or honeypot) advertising explicit CSAM related telegram groups for purchase.. just looking at the words made a pit in my stomach
  
  That's the double edged sword with no moderation abilities
  
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  Isn't matrix like an absolute non for privacy?
  
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  Hmm, sounds like the P2P version has been paused for the forseeable future:
  
  https://arewep2pyet.com
  https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p2p-matrix
  https://matrix.org/blog/2023/09/matrix-2-0
  
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- SimpleX chat.
  
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- XMPP; an open protocol that can be as basic as IRC or extended to support everything Telegram does and more. Decentralised (since it's a protocol), and E2EE through OMEMO or by encrypting with PGP client side is something your provider can't even have control over.
  
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- Other options for what exactly? Telegram practically has the same privacy and encryption guarantees as late 90's forums and bulletin boards. If you want to learn nothing from that, keep using a centralized nonstandard service deprived of end-to-end encryption!
  
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- For easy piracy like telegram? None
  
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  there are many solutions, but they should stay hard to find
  
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- Signal is probably the best option because it's as easy to setup as Telegram and others.
  
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  Signal is unfortunately as vulnerable to this as Telegram is, as it is a fully centralized service so once the CEO is grabbed is Game Over. Something like jabber / XMPP would be better.
  
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Removed

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the claims in some media that Telegram is some sort of anarchic paradise are absolutely untrue. We take down millions of harmful posts and channels every day,

Gotcha. Millions of harmful posts every day. That really does sound like a great place.

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- This is like when Republicans complain that Biden detained record numbers of border-crossers, and I'm like "Isn't that what you guys want him to do?".
  
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  God damn I can't read anything without somebody bringing up the yank circus.
  
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