11 day old moderator of c/vegan overstepping their position

Banning people for downvoting posts seems like an overstep of position

Seems like beaver went crazy and jerkface did too. I dont know about you.

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Banning people for downvoting posts is the most sensitive thing I’ve actually seen on the internet first hand.

And yet they probably still think people dislike them just because they’re vegan 🤷‍♂️

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- This is exactly why non anonymous voting is a big problem for the fediverse
  
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- I'm sure you are aware that brigading has been a problem in The Motherland since the very beginning. Now that we have the tools to detect and address such behaviour, are you prepared to say you are categorically against using that information to inform moderation decisions?
  
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This is a common thing happening on Lemmy.

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I don't necessarily agree, if a post is clearly within the guidelines of the community, and the mods consider it a quality post, that person probably doesn't get the community.

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Look buddy, I'm just in this post to circlejerk. If you want to argue, kindly go back to the OP

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I mean the fact that the 3 of you have a particularly similar aggressive nature and after leaving 1 post all came here to keep up the exact same kind of bitchiness is not helping your argument.

Beaver started banning people for downvoting posts. A fellow mod reached out to Beaver to say that had not been the policy and if they wanted that to be the policy going forward the mods would need to discuss it. Beaver then ignored the request to discuss the new policy that Beaver arbitrarily decided on. The issue here seems to be Beaver, period.

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Aggressive? Gasp. BITCHINESS? I am wounded. But I still love you.

Would you care to assay on what justification exists to demod me?

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- Well I'm not a mod and I didn't demod you, but from my opinion of how it played out A, you immediately jumped to Beavers defense and said you didn't have a problem banning people for downvoting, B, immediately tried to downplay them not responding to the mod request to discuss that action, C, based on how you're responding here sound completely unfit to be a mod which should require a certain level of maturity, and of course D the possibility that you're an alt.
  
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- I'm cheering for you.
  
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This whole thing keeps delivering

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I have no skin in this game, and just think the drama is funny.

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Get the popcorn with margarine out!

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- Sprinkling in nutritional yeast is the best way to eat popcorn.
  
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Are vegans vegan? Watching mods eat each other brings up weird questions for me.

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Fuck, sorry, it was a cheat day. (Eating the rich is still vegan tho btw)

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- Obviously truth... The richer they are, the more they appear to have IQs lower than carrots.
  
  Eat the rich: it's good for the country AND your health!
  
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All they did was kick a bunch of mods that were harming a community and trying to create drama without even having the balls to discuss openly the reasons they were banning people. The comments about how a moderator that was there for 3 months should have more power than a moderator that had been there for 11 days (despite one of them not having the wellbeing of the community as a priority) is an amazing joke. https://lemmy.world/post/19731457 everyone should read this post and they will quickly understand after reading op and the comments from people like jerkface why this happened. Posting a modlog without context or explanation is acting in pretty bad faith here.

Also, as a community (lemmy as a whole) we should think if we want to keep people like Beaver who moderates 100+ communities, there are a lot of people moderating way more than they can chew and becoming really stupid, as also seen recently with the bot drama in news on lemmy world. We really love to be repeating reddits problems.

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100+ communities,

95 of those are inactive.

There are mods on LW who moderate 10 active communities. Even further, any LW admins can virtually mod all of the LW community.

also seen recently with the bot drama in news on lemmy world.

Indeed.

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I take it that was a swipe at me.

Sorry you feel that way.

I don't do as much moderation as my co-mods, and that's by design. All our moderators are active and spread across the globe.

I just happen to be the face of the community.

Also, thanks for being civil. You don't want to see the DMs mods got. It was brutal.

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Hi vegans! I'm not really inclined to go anywhere near c/vegan while you're working all this stuff out so while you're here let me just take this opportunity to say I admire your diet and stuff. Glad you're around, hope it goes well.

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You have been banned by c/vegan

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- Can't wait for this to be lemmy's /r/Pyongyang
  
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Crazy how much juicy drama that community has been providing. The rest need to step up or this place will just be about vegans.

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And bean memes... Hey! WAIT A SECOND!

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- Sorry, this whole thing was a guerilla marketing campaign for legumes all along.
  
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Modpost on the whole thing:

https://lemmy.world/post/19731457

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Amazingly level headed response actually, I have no criticism whatsoever.

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That's a good post.

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I'm just going to take a wild guess that the two downvotes on your comment are two of the three ex-mods, based on their behaviour in this thread

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Okay now I’m just getting ready to block Beaver, thejerkface and Thelemmybud because they just keep spamming this all over the place. I don’t know if their intention is to try to drum up support but it should be obvious to them from the number of downvotes they keep getting that their crocodile tears aren’t working.

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This is simultaneously the most hilarious and least consequential meltdown on the internet this year.

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Even though it's scientifically unsupportable, I'm still genuinely interested in what it's like to live on Vega.

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Listen up, carnoid of planet Omnius, many geological surveys have shown robust evidence that Vega is capable of harboring all known forms of humanoid life and that its atmospheric makeup in fact provides benefits for cardiovascular health and hivemind coherency.

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They grow up so fast.

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Vegan coup

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Poor Jerkface. He's funny. He threatened to block all of my accounts but didn't. I like him. He makes me laugh.

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Sorry, I did what? "All of my accounts?" Do I know you?

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- Some months ago, maybe a year, you responded to one of my comments with something along the lines of, "How many fucking accounts of yours do I have to block?" I set about responding to the comment from each of my accounts so you could block them all then I got distracted and did something else.
  
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The Lemmy/Reddit moderator structure is a failure. Communities should have democratic governance.

On this specific issue I think everyone involved needs to take a deep breath, step away from the issue for like 24 hours, and talk to each other respectfully to work out how this should be resolved. But that is just my opinion.

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Communities should have democratic governance.

I've seen some instances elect their admins. No mod election yet, but that probably happened somewhere.

To be fair, as a mod myself, the issue is usually to get potential mod candidates in the first place.

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- I wonder what kind of structure they used. I’m also a mod mainly because somebody has to be. But my communities are small and not controversial so I haven’t had to do anything controversial either. It’s mostly that I’m willing to keep an eye on things.
  
  However, maybe I should walk the walk and start thinking about how that might work in case they grow to the point where more moderation becomes necessary.
  
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It would be fantastic to see an automated system, like with X downvotes a post or comment gets hidden, yet all it takes is one extra click to show it so it doesn't mean much.

However, the Lemmy devs seem strictly pro-authoritarian so I expect to never see that on Lemmy, unless it is developed and shown to work elsewhere and becomes too popular to ignore. i.e. the power-tripping ~~gods~~ people in charge is baked right in as a feature, not a bug (it would seem).

But... maybe in Piefed, Sublinks, Mbin, or something else?

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I'm neither mod nor member. Maybe people could leave them alone and stop picking fights, then wallowing in self-victimization over reactive abuse, aka abuse-by-proxy. It is abuse and it is ugly.

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I'm also neither a mod nor member. I have never posted nor commented in c/vegan. I do not habitually downvote posts from c/vegan. I am banned from c/vegan, as of about a week ago.

If that isn't overreach, I dunno what is.

If they don't want non-members to be able to vote or comment on their stuff, that's fine, take the community private.

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We didn't force them to make this post. They're abusing themselves. If they want to be left alone they can get up and walk away.

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Someone is power hungry.

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Hard to feel full when you eat salad all day

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- Actually, out of all the foods I've eaten, tofu makes me feel consistently the fullest for longest. I don't know why it works that way, but even meat was never this effective.
  
  Also, it sounds like whatever salads you're eating are pretty mid if you can't feel full after them. Half a bag of iceberg lettuce with dressing and three croutons isn't a meal.
  
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He ain't even done yet.

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Good, it seems he's done much more for that community than Beaver, her alts, and you (assuming you're not also an alt) have done for it. Generally making toxic and antagonistic memes all day and attacking the instance moderation are not healthy and productive things for a community. It also doesn't help the movement at all, and actually can end up hurting it.

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Am I a sockpuppet? Do my parents know this?? WHY DID THEY NEVER TELL ME?!

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JF, nobody accused you of sockpuppetry. Meatpuppetry maybe, but the only sockpuppet I can see is Thelemmybud.

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- I don't wish for us to interact.
  
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Its like with Santa Claus. You parents value your happiness first.

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