11mo ago

Protestation

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Capitalist did the research! They should be rewarded!
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Capitalism forced the workers to make the iphone, though.
Wow, someone has a big problem getting off the apple needle. Quite an ideology.
my computer was made due to capitalism
Did the workers who made the physical device but profit from doing so?
Did the designers who designed the phone also not profit from doing so?
Neither of those groups was slave labor.
- No. Earning a wage isn't "profit".
- The surplus value created by the workers should go to those workers. However in reality, most of the value created by the workers is going to capitalists that did not contribute to the making of the product, which communists consider theft.
- The answer is nope! Their labor power was treated the same as any other raw material, the outcome of the sale did not wrap back to their hands.
  
  Wait what? Of course the outcome of the sale wrapped back to their hands. They wouldn't have a job if there were no sale.
- No, their labor was "paid" for less than it is worth so they did not profit. The profit was taken by the capitalist class.
- The workers who made pennies?
- Right. The designers and the majority of the workers ~~are capitalists~~ practice capitalism by participating in a capitalist society. Some of the workers ~~are communists~~ practice communism. That is true.
  So it’s capitalism with a scosche of communism.
  
  The designers and the majority of the workers are capitalists by participating in a capitalist society
  That's…not what a capitalist is. Capitalists control the capital.
  
  Right. The designers and the majority of the workers are capitalists
  What are you trying to say here? That the majority of workers are also the owners?
  workers are capitalists by participating in a capitalist society. Some of the workers are communists. That is true.
  Oh, you're talking about ideology? Why? Who cares what the workers individually believe, we are talking about the fact that they are workers.

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