11mo ago

Ohio will invalidate votes for 2024 presidential candidate Jill Stein because of VP swap

www.cleveland.com

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It's almost like she isn't a serious candidate or something.
- Then you have nothing to worry about, right?
  
  You still claim ignorance of the difference between “viable” and “spoiler” in the US election system?
  
  In Ohio? Probably not.
  2020:
  Republican - Donald Trump - 3,154,834 - 53.27%
  Democratic - Joe Biden - 2,679,165 - 45.24%
  Libertarian - Jo Jorgensen - 67,569 - 1.14%
  Green - Howie Hawkins - 18,812 - 0.32%
  2016:
  Republican - Donald Trump - 2,841,006 - 51.31%
  Democratic - Hillary Clinton - 2,394,169 - 43.24%
  Independent - Gary Johnson - 174,498 - 3.15%
  Green - Jill Stein - 46,271 - 0.84%
So still a spoiler but votes for her can't add to the tally. Cool.
- They might in the end, Stein's campaign has a strategy for getting back on the ballot, from https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/09/its-a-mess-accusations-traded-over-how-jill-stein-got-disqualified-from-running-for-president-in-ohio.html
  Even if this fails, and votes for Stein are not counted, it's much the same as staying home and not voting for president at all. Which is not really what is wanted or needed...
So, Trump is locked up with Vance?
- As another poster pointed out, Ohio is not a swing state anymore. It voted Republican in 2016 and 2020, and is Right of the country as a whole. Trump is +11, +9, +6, +8, +9, and +9 on polls in September, which is in line with August and July numbers. 538 has Ohio in Trump's column 892 times out of 1000 runs. Harris only wins 108 out of 1000 simulations. Ohio is Trump Country. Period.
- Very dirty dealing.
  
  Alternative view - it sounds like it may be that the different levels of the Green party were not communicating with each other properly. So a minor staffer misunderstood and made a mistake with seriously grave consequences.
  Since that technically means it's the Green party's mistake (even if it's the local Ohio Greens rather than Stein's national group) I'd hold up less hope of a win.
  Though after seeing what happened in Nevada, I might just be a tad too pessimistic... sometimes it really does feel like the system is rigged.
  But regardless, that doesn't mean Stein is incompetent or that Stein did anything wrong. At most, there might be an opportunity here to better manage the different local party chapters to prevent mistakes of this nature from happening. It goes to AOC's point about the need to build up a better grassroots - closer communication with the Ohio chapter might have been enough to prevent this tragic mistake from happening.
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