Americans: Never, EVER question again how Hitler came to power in 1933 Germany
Americans: Never, EVER question again how Hitler came to power in 1933 Germany
Because you now did it to yourself.
I mean it's quite different. Hitler wasn't elected (at least not prior to seizing power and effectively banning all opposition). Instead the Nazis got a plurality of just 33% in the Reichstag election, which led to failure to form a government. Then Hitler somehow convinced the center right President to grant him powers which he promptly started abusing and the rest is history.
In other words, 1930s Germany can kind of defend itself in ways the US can't.
19Germany, Jan 1933 = USA, Jan 2025
1Its a buffet for the leopards. They'll coast on Biden's policies for a bit, when Trump plans take affect we'll see.
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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
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Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list for Marxism if you'd like, but this is a good starting point.
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Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
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Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
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Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.
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Oh my gosh you're so right, TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER
-18First they came for the illegal immigrants and I did not speak out because I was a legal citizen.
Then they came for the LGBTQ members and I did not speak out because I am straight.
Then they came for the non-whites and I did not speak out because I am white.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
87Irrelevant. The people who tried to stop it already know how Hitler came to power, and the ones who should ask how it happened — the ones you should address your post to — either don’t care or actively want another Hitler.
But hey, at least you slammed the people who tried their hardest, rather than actually address conservatives themselves, which would have required you actually confronting them. Glad you feel better, though.
34We need a solution to this, because honestly the US just lost its democracy.
It's 1933.
Any ideas on ways out of this?
Community for further discussion: !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
37Women: he told you he's taking your rights away and is already letting you die in hospital waiting rooms
Tradesman: he told you overtime and unions are gone
Veterans: he told you he hates you, pissed all over the sanctity of Arlington and is gutting the VA
Hispanics: he told you you and yours are getting deported and doesn't care if you're legal or not
Those on social security, Medicare, Medicaid or ACA: he told you he's cutting/gutting these
Anyone with ties to Palestine: he told you he's going to help Israel finish the job
136I would be more concerned if he were less stupid. Going by his last presidency he'll spend half his time golfing and the rest driving through ineffective "red meat" policies to get attention from his base. Ultimately he's just a pathetic man who craves attention.
What concerns me more is that his destruction of political norms means that someone who is similarly evil - but actually capable - might be able to use him as a template to take power in the future and make America into a dictatorship. Someone like Xi Jinping as opposed to an aging B-list celebrity.
35Don't think it won't happen to you. When the incoming wave of Ukrainian refugees hits Europe, the populists that have already been growing in popularity will make their move. With the U.S. fallen, a lot of money and attention has been freed up to destabilize other countries.
It's happening in Italy. It's happening in the Netherlands. It's happening in France. If you think you are ready for it, remember that we thought the same.
72Baffling. We already rejected this guy once when he had less baggage. His first term was objectively terrible.
So, I guess America has kings now, because Trump will never see another day in court for his crimes, and he's not going to prison.
I just don't have the strength anymore. I'm teetering on the brink of agreeing with the accelerationists and just letting it happen. The faster Trump ruins the country, the sooner we can rebuild it while we still have time to enjoy it.
107We have always known why Hitler rose to power, and we know why Trump was reelected. When people are economically depressed and a man comes to you and tells you “This isn’t your fault, I will persecute those who are responsible and personally make things better for you.” It’s human nature, out of fear, frustration, or desperation to grasp that hand. We as a people are not ready to trust the guy who says “This is our fault, and it will be hard, but we have to fix this together”. Take everything you know about Hitler and Trump and OUR world out of it, take out your reasoning and tap into your monkey brain for a second and simply ruminate on those two propositions. Which one would you rather be true? You can’t honestly tell me the latter. You may know the latter is true, but it would be so much easier on you if the first was true.
Like it or not, we aren’t as evolved as we like to think, and those of us who consider ourselves enlightened are vulnerable to our lizard brains at one point or another.
55My one takeaway from this is that primaries are important. Republicans held a primary, nominated an incomprehensibly stupid candidate, and managed to win.
Dems held no primary, Biden strong armed his way into the de-facto nomination for a second term, and was replaced by his VP when he imploded on the campaign trail. At no point did Dem voters ever get to have a say in their candidate this year. Not that Kamala or Joe are bad candidates, but clearly, they're lacking something if Trump was able to win again after changing nothing from 2020.So, the DNC fucked us again and we got Trump a second time in exactly the same way.
66So, place your bets! What's going to be that one announcement that suddenly makes your neighbours go all quiet?
- Repeal of the 19th amendment
- Mandatory military service
- Military sent to Ukraine
- Military sent to Gaza
- Additional protections to police
- The pardon of all January 6th rioters
- The relaxation of maximum presidential terms
- Repeal of Affordable Care Act
- Repeal of Social Security
- Increase in taxes of lowest and middle incomes
- Reduction in the minimum wage
- Shutdown of major news outlets of "reporting lies"
- Ban of reporting "bad news"
- New ability to farmers to hire for no wage
- New protections to reject hiring/customers/schooling based on colour
- Collapse of NOAA
- Atheists targeted as terrorists
- Democrats imprisoned for Socialist ties
- Mysterious disappearances of democrats
- Random deportation of American citizens for being first/second generation
- Removal of all laws related to carbon output
Yes, some of these are fearmongering but he's made all sorts of promises and debts are due! The sky is the limit!
182People talk about this often. I haven’t ever questioned how Hitler came to power in Germany, so that was easy.
12Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Now Palestine will be completely flattened with 0 resistance at all, and redoubled support and bombs for Israel! Way to go! You really showed your support for Palestine by helping this happen!
They will probably come back saying "it wasn't our fault, we just pointed out the truth" while they shouted that a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide [so don't vote for harris] from every platform that they used.
221“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives any more.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
279You can blame religion for trump. A rapist con man who never goes to church is their new jesus. What a fucking cult.
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127As an American, our bell was tolling long ago and so few of us cared to listen. (This is a quote from Carl Sagan's book from nearly 20 years ago).
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
America is likely now doomed. We'll balkanize into minor states that join either the axis or allies of WWIII until we mostly dissolve altogether and the next wave of history and death and rolls through. Though seeing the rise of fascism on the world scale, I think we're generally just doomed, all of us. Perhaps we're just an avenue for AGI to wipe us out and go fight other AGIs on some intergalactic scale not much different from our own inability to get along and work together. Perhaps I've been drinking myself to stupor now that I see what has happened.
69During the Trump presidency, I read a book entitled "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45". In it, a journalist gives an account of his interviews with people who had been rank-and-file members of the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany. It really is remarkable what similarities there are.
There are some things that I think will keep the US safe, at least for now. One is that Trump himself is old and will slow down soon. The other thing is that Hitler came to power against democratic institutions that were much, much weaker and younger than what the US has. The Weimar Republic had been established just 15 years prior, whereas the US has had a continuous government for nearly 250 years.
Trump or anyone trying to follow in his stead simply has a lot more in their way. Of course, that's no reason for complacency.
30You all need help lol
-6I guess I'll be last seen being dragged into one of the detaining camps because I'm getting several T-shirts made, "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for the orange shitbag douche!" Now we don't have to wonder why there's not a shit load of advanced life in the universe. We just experienced one of the bottlenecks of civilizations advancing.Because of different countries voting for right wing governments recently and tonight, I've lost hope for this country and the planet.
Later add on: I have no clue why my post keep showing up as f'ed up text. If anyone know, please advise.
16I am utterly baffled. None of this makes any sense.
12Hitler didn't come to power by getting elected.
The liberal SDP split with the communists, supporting “centrist” Hindenburg in the name of unity.
The communists campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war”
Hindenburg, the liberal candidate, won the election, then proceeded to make Hitler, chancellor and staff positions in government with nazis while purging the government of communists.
The nazis then barely had to do anything to assert complete control.
The nazis didn’t get in power because people voted fascist, they got into power because liberals prefer fascism to working with communists.
6Wait, what? Thats a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? Under Hitler, 6 million jews and millions of others were imprisoned, starved and slaughtered. I know some Jewish people who are fairly offended by this comparison. I know at first people were largely being hyperbolic, but its become clear that many actually feel this way. He aint Hitler guys, not even close. Thats kinda ridiculous.
-15🥱 you'll feel better in a few days
-18Hitler got his ideas from people in USA because USA has always been a racist slave empire.
USA has had several Hitlers before and after Hitler. It's no surprise when there's another one. Kamalacaust was just Hitler lite.
-16And YET there are downvotes. Unbelievable.
7My question is not a logical one, but an emotional/moral one, like what I am asking now about us..
1I did what I could. But there's more I have to do.
1Yeah I get it now
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1If you had any clue about history you would know that this is the stupidest statement ever, retardation 100%
-19What?
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