these folks sure are quiet these days

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn't.

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

Blame the at most 2 million or so antigenocide protestors, instead of the 75 million who voted for Trump. Considering Harris was short 8 million votes, it didn't really matter.

Blame Trump voters first, but also blame Harris for running a dog shit campaign where she leaned right to pickup Republicans, and ended up picking up zero R voters while completely alienating the progressives and losing 14 million votes from Biden's 2020 performance.

The Dems don't seem too upset though. They would rather lose to the republicans than let progressives have any sort of power.

Throwing your vote in the trash is a vote for garbage, and garbage won by a landslide.

The garbage voters really hate to hear it.

So let me get this straight:

The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.

The democrats lose.

The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.

The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?

And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.

Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?

This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.

And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”

Not a doubt in my mind.

Had nothing to do with it.. or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of "were not him" and the economy is booming.. while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation.. people are angry.. and the let's keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.

The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.

You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.

Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she'd halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of "democracy", and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.

If you thought the people who were critical of the Democrats went quite after the election, you're saying more about the echo chamber you've built for yourself than anything else.

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

One of the candidates was against Palestinian genocide??

Amazingly, nobody's happy that the dems decided to sacrifice the whole country rather than budge on exterminating the Palestinians.

Maybe pick a candidate that people want to vote for next time

Another day, another Lemmy post blaming leftists instead of Republicans, conservatives, racists, and their enablers.

The Democratic party or a campaign can't fail, they can only be failed, right OP?

You can continue blaming everything but the DNC, but it won't change the fact that they are complicit in genocide and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it's legacy of genocide worldwide.

I haven't seen them go quiet.

*I voted for future genocide instead of present genocide.

Edit: I do empathize with people not voting for Harris as a protest vote. I personally think it is counter productive, but I can see that if the system won't allow someone to act ethically, then it makes sense to reject the system.

What I don't understand is voting for Trump as a protest vote instead. He has shown he has no inclination to support Palestine from his last administration and his ties to evangelical groups indicates he would be even worse for the situation than Harris. If anyone disagrees, I'd appreciate to hear the justification either in a reply or DM if you don't want randos flaming you.

And the genocide just worsens, with another soon in Ukraine

They should be so happy to have achieved what they voted for. This is their utopia too and they deserve to enjoy the fruits of their single-principle voting as well.

When they see people sick and poor with no support or hope, young girls risking life and limb to bear the children of their rapists, rotting infrastructure and a rampant xenophobic kleptocracy, they need to stand and say "I helped make this happen!"

Be proud of the utopia you helped build by voting for the Russian agent; either one.

"Their votes alone didn't swing the election" and "Their actions were the opposite of helpful in preventing genocide" can both be true.

There is a whole lot of Removed by mod here that might explain it.

Going deeper into the DNC echo chamber wont change anything though. Also i find it curious that people seeing the end of the world coming towards them leave their attempt at stopping it at "whelp i voted". Almost as if you are consistently fed the gaslighting lie, that voting once every four years for the candidate, that the DNC designates you to vote for, should be all you ever do politically.

They are certainly responsible for Trump doing what they will do. No amount of mental gymnastics can make that go away. You had a vote, it was what it was, you had to accept reality or live in a bubble roleplaying that your vote was something it was not.

Gotta love libs STILL blaming their overwhelming loss and support for genocide on people that they've banned.

Ah the enlighten centrist left bashing. A Billion dollars wasted to continue the rightward ratchet. Liz Chaney maybe your friend, but not mine. Go ahead and excuse war crimes all the way to the bottom

But you did

So salty about how your team threw the election that you still can't shut up about it instead of working towards more productive goals? Like the things you pretend to care about outside of your team sport?

Didn't really think there was that many of them on here. I feel like every time I see memes like this on here it's just people preaching to the choir.

Ah the enlighten centrist left bashing. A Billion dollars wasted to continue the rightward ratchet. Liz Chaney maybe your friend, but not mine. Go ahead and excuse genocide all the way to the bottom

well they’re not quiet now once they get called out

If you call people out, they're gonna respond, lol. (edited this part to not be accidentally included as part of the quote above)

tl;dr is we need more options than Democrats and Republicans, and voting third party should be only part of the solution to educate and mobilize the working class.

I think it is a false narrative that "voting blue no matter who" is the sole thing preventing the USA from succumbing to fascism. The reason government power see-saws between Democrats and Republicans is because it is hard for either party to maintain any legitimacy of being helpful to working class people when the only people both sides are helping are the wealthy. People get fed up with Democrats doing nothing for them and vote Republican. They then get fed up with Republicans doing nothing and vote Democrat.

Are the Democrats current policies better than Republicans in some areas? Sure. But the Democrats have also continued some of the worst Republican policies, and the ones they have better stances on are small and in my opinion offer no long term solutions to help the working class. So one proposed solution is to use our limited power of voting for another party that aligns more with working class needs. That should also only be one part of a larger scheme to educate and mobilize the working class.

we're busy doing the things we need to do since you twits couldn't run a non-genocidal candidate.

Kamala "Frack the Planet" Harris was not going to save the planet.

I'm comfortable with my decision to not vote for genocide, and I will continue to not vote for warhawks.

Blaming the voters instead of Harris who ran on a right wing campaign of neoliberalism and genocide? You're so willing to sacrifice Palestinians, voters can so obviously see that you would readily sacrifice anybody for those right-wing votes. Y'all haven't learned a god damn thing.

yeah your motives are despicable OP. if every voter you call out in this meme had voted blue, Harris still would have lost. the reason you think they are “quiet these days” is because they hardly fucking exist.

put down your shit slinging stick and hold accountable the people who actually did this act of violence. minimizing the damage of a fascist regime is never gonna happen off your pithy internet blame game “call outs.”

I still see them around. But it will be really quiet in January and February.

fuckem. And honestly, if i get banned from a sub for calling out their bullshit then that's a sub I'm not interested in being in.

The best part was that moral panic about russian trolls.

Like dude, 9 posts out of 10 on the frontpage was about the US elections and trump bullcrap. Don't be surprise it attracts attention from foreigners, and don't whine they disagree with you when the party you vote for is bombing foreigners.

Right? .ml has been quiet...the CCP ran out of things for them to say?

90% of them were Russian/ Iranian/ Chinese/ North Korean trolls or bots. They got what they wanted, so it's on to the next thing. Probably undermining support for Ukraine.

In this thread: morally superior busybodies absolutely malding and calling OP an enlightened centrist for making fun of them

Hey did you forget the dems are supporting a genocide? Better vote for them anways! Hey did you forget the dems are supporting a genocide? Better vote for them anways! Hey did you forget the dems are supporting a genocide? Better vote for them anways!

Like fucking clockwork.

I have not been quiet. The writing's on the wall. First undocumented immigrants, and the democrats are going after trans people next, and I can't stand it.

Some of us have real lives to get on with and are willing to do the work behind the scenes, while we get on with that. My community has buried three since the since the end of October, two have recently been diagnosed with cancer and another two are in stage four. There are also considerations of paying bills. Just because we're not wallowing in self-pity doesn't make anyone anything other than busy. Mutual aid, direct action. Voting for the major parties isn't the answer.

Yeah this is surprising. If I had spent three months trying to convince everybody that genocide wasn't that big of a deal and still lost, I would really take time to shut the fuck up and reflect. But no, apparently, they cannot shut the fuck up.

Everytime there is a post like this it feels like an american (genocider) taunting the fact that none of them want to stop the extermination anyway. Everytime I hate them a little more. They are not human to me. Scumbags.

"Yes, we lost to the republicans. But for a beautiful moment in time we supported genocide with billions of dollars in weapons!" - the democratic party

Or you could have just not supported a genocide so that people would vote for you. Stop blaming the electorate for your own failings. No one is obliged to vote for you. Especially when you have terrible policies like funding a genocide.

I am a normal person. My wife have friends in Lebannon and gaza, since she worked in Qatar. She know people who died.

For the average yank, I am a russian troll.

Go fuck yourself.

Jezz these people are very quiet now

HELP WE'RE BEING BRIGADED HAVE TO CENSOR MORE!!!

they got exactly what they wanted. They have nothing to say, they can continue to complain without reason about things that are unimportant.

(before people @ me, yes i'm right, they would care about like, children starving, or something else if the importance was what mattered)

Jesus shut the fuck up. We lost because your moderate ass, milquetoast policies are fucking bad and tweaks around the margins without meaningful structural change aren't going to be enough. "Vote harder" isn't the answer you asshole, if you haven't learned that then your head is buried in the sand.

Hot take: Withholding voting for either party is a valid form of protest when neither party is standing for its people.

If they want to win the support of their constituents, its high time to change how the party is going to operate going forward.

Front page of Lemmy is just as bad as the front page of reddit lmao

I actually think less of them than I do of Trump supporters, and that's really saying something.

C'mon guys, can't you spin up the "somehow, blame Russia" machine for this like last time?

Running around with pitchforks looking for minorities to blame is a really bad look, and it ultimately is just you showing your blue MAGA ass.

Yes. This but unironically.

Tell me, throughout history, how often have atrocities, mass slaughter, and genocide been claimed at the time to be justified on the basis of self-preservation? Say, "securing a future for our white children," for example. Out of those, how many times have the people saying, "better them than us" or "the ends justify the means" actually been on the right side of history?

It blows my mind how genuinely prone to evil Americans are, as a culture. There are people who have actually experienced the horrors of war, watched their houses burned down, watched their loved ones die, who still refuse to turn to something as evil as genocide as a solution. Do you really think this is the first time anyone's faced that choice? But liberals, supposed enlightened progressives, sitting comfortably on their couches worried that they might have to deal with a shitty politician for the next four years, will immediately jump on board with being Hitlerites if it means they can go back to brunch instead of doomscrolling. Like, y'all don't even consider Trump bad enough to actually start opposing the US government and treating it as an enemy. I can only imagine what horrors and atrocities you'd resort to if you were ever actually faced with bombs dropping outside your homes. If you were put into the body of a Palestinian, you'd be criticizing Hamas as being too moderate and restrained.

I'll go to my grave before I vote for genocide, and nothing anyone says or does will ever make me budge, and you'd best remember that because if you wanna blame me for Kamala losing, know that I'll fucking do it again.

I get you’re mad that Trump won, but you’re blaming the wrong people.

There was an opportunity for change, and we went for it. We're less noisy about it now because the opportunity has passed- squandered by folks like you.

What's this, a sudden influx of votes and comments that visibly oppose the votes and comments that came from the intended community, made apparent by older, lower-visibility comments such as those under folds having completely opposite positions and ratings? Why that almost sounds like a brigade! Surely not, we left those behind on Reddit, right?

"But but genocide joe, such a catchy name! Why do I have to think further than some meme?" -💩

Kamala would not have been much better than Trump. She was far right democrat with zero policy at best.

It's not even a genocide. If it was the US would stop it.