Judge compares gender-affirming care to cigarettes & beer while upholding youth ban

This a wealth of studies showing cigarettes and beer negatively affect your health, while gender affirming cares improves and extends it. These are not even remotely comparable.

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Gender affirming surgeries have a lower regret rate than Harry Potter tattoos

I imagine gender affirming care as a whole is even lower (since not everyone wants surgery)

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- Can confirm anecdotally. Have a Harry Potter tattoo from when I was 18, am trans. Only one of them I regret and it’s not transitioning.
  
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What I seriously can't estimate is, how persistent is gender identification in youths?

I mean, children and teenagers are generally idiots (I certainly was). As far as I know, there's no physiological test to determine trans identity, so an outside observer has a really hard time distinguishing real and "fake" trans identity. I'm not even talking about willful deceit, but just the general instability of kids.

So, I can understand that people are hesitant to allow gender affirming care, because they fear they might do more harm than good. Especially if you're somewhat older, all those trans issues must seem like a new trend, I certainly didn't hear much about them 10 years ago. Unless there's something like a proper scientific guideline, all judges and doctors are basically forced to judge themselves and will probably stick to the "old ways".

As always: further research is needed.

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- As always: further research is needed.
  
  You sound well meaning but uniformed. Sure more research is always good but this is already a very well understood field and I have ample sources to prove it.
  
  I can understand that people are hesitant to allow gender affirming care, because they fear they might do more harm than good.
  
  First off, there is absolutely zero surgeries being performed on minors. This is not happening. What is happening is puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy, both of which are non-permanent. And once someone becomes an adult and begins more permanent affirming care, the rate of people experiencing regret is laughably low.
  
  A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1%.
  
  all those trans issues must seem like a new trend, I certainly didn't hear much about them 10 years ago
  
  I think you need to understand your personal limitations. Because it's really not new, I mean I can point to ancient history with people like Empress Elagabalus, but if we just want to talk about modern medical transition there is Dr. Alan Hart in 1917 or Christine Jorgensen in 1952 a WW2 vet that made national headlines. The diagonosis of gender dysphoria has existed in the DSM since 1980. Trans identity or medical transitions is very far from a new concept.
  
  Unless there's something like a proper scientific guideline,
  
  Every major field of related medicine abundantly agrees that this is safe and necessary treatment. Such as American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association.
  
  There are already numerous safeguards, such as to receive any gender affirming care (which is only ever provided to adults) requires multiple years on reversible Hormones and then letters of support form two separate psychiatrists.
  
  Weather or not a doctor is allowed to prescribe proven treatments to a patient suffering from a preventable, manageable and curable condition is NOT something that a judge needs to determine. It exclusively is the purview of a patient and a doctor, not the law.
  
  As a trans person myself, I need you to understand that reticence by the cis population is dangerous for the trans population. So while I can understand why it sounds extreme to you, that should only be a reason for you personally not to seek this sort of care. Not a reason for you to support roadblocks against the advice from medical professionals.
  
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- the cool thing is: research is being done and doctors and medical boards have the same concerns as you and are way smarter than both of us. gender affirming healthcare is treated with the same level of respect as every other healthcare field.
  
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- I feel like gender working should encompass figuring out if they do wish to transition and look at the reasons why one might be feeling that way, I always assumed it did, did it not?
  
  To me, having no kind of care at all for trans people is just making it so that they can't get all of the best/accurate information that they need to figure out who they truly are. Which is shite. Everyone deserves that chance regardless of age.
  
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- Gender affirming care, for minors, is about 2 things.
  
  Helping them figure out what is actually going on.
  
  Stopping difficult or irreversible changes.
  
  The first is exactly what you want. It's helping the children figure out exactly what they feel. It might also involve changing outward appearance (clothing etc) to see how it feels. Basically get their head straight with what they really want and feel.
  
  The second is mostly puberty blockers. Puberty makes irreversible changes to the body. Blocking it doesn't do any harm. It's been used for decades to help with other conditions. When the blockers are removed, puberty proceeds normally. If the patient truly wants to transition, then an artificial puberty can be induced. This is far safer and more effective than surgery to fix things later.
  
  No one is chopping up children.
  
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- I'm gay. I wasn't sure when I was a teenager but I suspected. I never felt like I was the wrong sex.
  
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This law bars puberty blockers and his reasoning was based on reassingment surgery being a permanent choice.

Fuck this clown.

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They genuinely don’t care what gender affirming care even is. I’ve seen so many conservatives wailing about surgery on kids, when 99% of gender care is using the right name and pronouns plus hormone blockers. Like fuck, I wish they were just handing out surgeries! I’d really love a phalloplasty, but my insurance excludes any gender confirmation surgery for adults!

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- I think it's because the term 'gender affirming care' is explicitly chosen to be able to include surgery. If it's 99% about reversible hormone treatment, maybe that needs to be decoupled in order to make it more acceptable to the public
  
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Wonder how many of those who oppose gender affirming surgery still support circumcision.

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Oh man that reminds me when my friends and I would sneak off after gym and go around behind the basketball courts to affirm our gender. Good times, good times.

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We were young and easily fooled, my homie ate bull testicles to get more T and girl was chuggin' milk because Estrogen wasn't available otherwise. Did this every week or so, and look where we are now with our syringes, 100% entry drugs.

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Wright County Circuit Court Judge Craig Carter wrote, “If we don’t let a 16-year-old buy a six-pack of beer and a pack of smokes

I am normally the last person to give a shit about overly informal language, but for fucks fucking sake Missouri, you couldn't find one person in your state with the intellectual capacity to realize that "If the state does not permit the purchase of alcohol nor tobacco by minors" maybe sounds a bit more serious? Like, the actual ruling itself is an offensive embarrassment, but I really can't get over the fact that it's written like a freakin facebook post.

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Get ready for 4 years of government officials trying not to sound too 'elitist'

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No more testosterone and bonner pills for the boomers.

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It's like they try really hard to miss the point of pretty much anything and everything. The analogy makes zero fucking sense. It's always just a bunch of twisting words and ideas to suit their backwards ass views.

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Reed maintained the hospital treated many patients with mental health problems without comprehensive psychological evaluations; at trial, there was disagreement over whether a licensed therapist’s evaluation was enough to warrant gender-affirming care or if a psychologist or psychiatrist should be a requirement.

Therapist: spends hours establishing a relationship with the patients in order to gain a fundamental understanding of their issues.

Psychiatrist: Try these pills, idk.

All this establishes that mental healthcare in this country is a fucking joke.

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No. Jokes are funny. Its that thing fascists do where they say it was a joke if you call them on their shit.

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Well we'll just have to start celebrating trans kids coming of age like a sweet 16 or quinceanera except unbelievably gay. Sucks for the kids hard to not have access to puberty blockers and hrt (for older teens).

Unless the Democrats grow a spine and put up a fight (I'm looking at you Miss represent-all-Delawareans-except-the-trans-ones) the only thing we're going to be able to do is try to frame it as a rite of passage for trans kiddos.

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This newspaper is the pinnacle of deranged absurdity—an absolute circus of lunacy. It's somehow more unhinged than a guy binging 3kg of LSD and fentanyl like George on a seven-year rampage lol

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