What's wrong with bluesky?

Nothing is wrong with it. Fediverse bros are just salty that it’s getting all the traffic instead of mastodon.

its centralized because only a single board controls it, and it doesnt federate with literally anything but itself.

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The problem I see with BlueSky is, what's the difference between Bluesky and Twitter?

Did any learning take place? "Okay, clean sheet design, let's do it again but better this time" what did they do to keep Bluesky from going the exact same direction Twitter did?

https://lemmy.ca/comment/12906744

I talked about it in this comment, which should hopefully still be recent enough to be accurate

It's still too soon to tell what they will do. It's totally possible that they will take the necessary steps to be properly decentralized by transferring control of the registry + protocol to an independent non profit.

Right now I feel that they don't have much of an incentive to do that, since the vast majority of their users won't care.

I would love to be proven wrong

It's slightly more than a green(blue?)washed Twatter.

The fact it's getting such a stellar rise over Mastodon is imho a bit sus - people behind it have coin & reach (political), I'm sure monies are being pumped into the bluesky sensationalization, like influences & media articles.

Twatter has/had a lot of monetization potential & now is even more of a (really incredibly direct) political-tool, there are bound to be interest groups that would benefit from cutting it a bit. But all of them want more monies, so they ofc won't help fossy things.

Centalised as in not federated. Which means we've basically set a timer until it starts acting like Google or Facebook, or even "X" if a crazy person buys it out.

That being said, I welcome any kind of actual competition.

It's corporate social media.

You'll get ads. You'll get your privacy invaded. You'll have an algorithm pushing content toward you. Eventually, they'll open the floodgates to fascists because pissing you off keeps your eyes glued to ads.

BUT, it's also familiar, and that's more important to people than having to do leg work, though personally I prefer Mastodon and it's really not that hard to use once you've spent a few days there and gotten used to it.

There's nothing from a user experience currently that makes bluesky bad, it's just that since it doesn't seem to actually support decentralization, there's nothing to stop it from eventually getting just as bad as twitter over time due to profit incentive. Misskey/mastodin are the only microblogging platforms that are truly immune from corporate manipulation and enshittification, which would mean it's a long term solution (that while imperfect, can only get better).

It claims to be decentralized but normal people can't reasonably spin up a server like you can for Mastadon.

Which means, if it goes to shit by whoever is holding the power behind it, then it will go to shit exactly like Xitter.

With Mastadon, you can easily make an instance and jump to different instances that haven't gone to shit.

One of the best reasons to want ActivityPub (or similar software) to become the primary way that social media sites are populated with information is that it divorces the particular front end you use from the content that is displayed. Meaning that if, in the future, someone writes a new front end that is better/faster/whatever it doesn't have to (most likely fail to) fight the network effect to have enough content to be worth using. So you don't have a David vs Goliath situation for every new, innovative social media site to get off the ground. Never mind Mastodon or Lemmy or Misskey or Mbin. Maybe ten years down the line there are a host of newer and better fediverse sites that are usable right off the bat because they have the same content available that these current sites have. Look at what a trial it's been to get any new social media site off the ground (Bluesky included). It's in every user's interest to remove individual sites' ability to squash competition via the network effect.

Bluesky's model of decentralization does not allow for this so far as I know.

Nothing is "wrong" with it. Its just a different platform.

The "problem" is that its just a different platform. Nothing is really different. It's like choosing Pepsi over Coke. Its a choice and maybe one is flavored more to your liking, but they are both full of the same ingredients and unhealthy with continual ingestion.

I haven't used it either, because I didn't like Twitter or X. Today I suspect Bsky is fine, because it hasn't been around long enough to become toxic or to censor discussions etc... Just give it time, it will get there.

The issue most people are bringing up is that there are "better" platforms (i.e. fediverse) that aren't getting any traffic instead.

I can understand this, but the flip side is that the voices promoting the fediverse usually arent very compelling either in voice or ease. Think of it like somebody wanting to buy a PC. One person says to get Linux (and arch of course) because it's the best and you're a fool to get anything else. Here, take it and figure it out. Another person says to get a Mac, because it can do everything you need it to do, easily and without work, plus has added features you didn't even think about that seem useful to your life. And if you get stuck they have a genius bar to assist. So people choose Mac. Similarly people are choosing Bsky because it's easy and straightforward.

JWZ » "I prefer to meet people where they are" says reasonable-sounding white dude holding court at a table in the back of a Nazi Bar.

It's Bluesky. The Nazi Bar is Bluesky.

"Now that Dorsey has bailed as a board member and principal funder, Bluesky's DNA is basically [TESCREAL / Effective Altruist] people. It gets worse. Blockchain Capital LLC was co-founded by Steve Bannon pal Brock Pierce, a major crypto advocate, perennial presidential candidate, and close friend of Eric Adams. Pierce has dozens of other shady MAGA/Russia ties as well."

Cory Doctorow » Bluesky and enshittification

It's another oligarch owned platform?

If you move from twitter thinking it'll not end up like twitter you're wrong. It'll go through the same growing pains process and you'll end up right back where you started with nothing to show for it.

I don't have strong opinions about BlueSky (I have an account, I prefer activitypub but it's whatever), but to me I will view it as centralized until someone who is not BlueSky runs a second relay server that is federated with the BlueSky run one.

And based on the writings of one of the creators of activitypub, Christine Lemmer-Webber, there are some hurdles to that happening: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

Isn’t it Twitter before musk?

I remember the olden days when people said Twitter was shit and it wasn’t intentionally bad.

I enjoy it, but I am fully aware that history could repeat itself, and I am ready to pack up and move if/when that time comes. For now, it's big enough that I can follow communities I enjoy being a part of without worrying about the constant influx of racists/fascists.

Those people are of course present, but they're easy to block and move on.

Just in general, people on the internet are haters. I don't really have a strong opinion either way, but Bluesky could cure world hunger and make all dogs live 100 years and people on the internet would hate it.

My only problem with it is that it's boring. Literally Shower Thoughts: The Website (featuring Politics).

Supposedly there are people you can subscribe to to see some actual news and get away from all those boring text posts, but I can't find them and don't know where to look. I even used one of those websites that subscribe you to groups of people en-masse to help get you started, but that just made things worse. Now my feed is full of opinions from people I've never heard of, know nothing of, and couldn't care less about.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand the appeal of this whole Twitter/Twitter clone thing.

People dislike it because it's not federated, but hot take: federation doesn't solve enshittification. It just devolves everything into little shitty internet fiefdoms. It doesn't do anything to prevent the inherent problems that arise as a result of having everyone freeball a random moderation structure, where they can outsource their agency to some guy they don't know, with the illusion that there's some clear set of rules or useful tools that exist somewhere off in the distance, being used by the "correct" actors and moderators. Which in turn means that everything becomes vulnerable to any abuse of the static, singular, broad rules, inside of these walled gardens that people are basically locked into.

You get bait, you get ragebait, people taking advantage of the singular "algorithms" in order to game the system for maximum attention, and you incentivize that behavior because you make it way too easy to engage in. You get people paying to get on the front page of reddit, and you get eglin air force base being the most reddit addicted town. People think that AI abuse is some recent phenomenon, but it's not, bots have been on the internet forever, and people have been incentivized to engage in bot-like behaviors forever. Eventually you get a huge, hollow system, where everything has the guise of legitimate human interaction at the surface level, but is really just subject to this huge system of incentives and planned interactions which people are made subconscious of.

You'd really need the ability to have account migration for a better decentralized network, and you'd probably actually just need self-hosting for everyone. You'd probably want blocklists to easily propagate around (+2 for bluesky), and you'd probably actually want those to have easily copied and pasted rules that could be shared between users to prevent spam and make it so abuse is less common and easily prevented before it happens.

Which is what the usenet already had/has. It's just that the common consensus (which I believe to be false), is that the usenet is too hard to use, and requires demands too much intellectually from its users. If you decide to take this philosophy to the extreme, you end up with something like tiktok, where the idea is that people use their premade google account, scroll downwards forever, and that's it.

I wouldn't mistake this as being some sort of like, natural occurrence, though, that's an intentional decision, made by businessmen, that want to maximize sales through an in-app store and control a massive cultural space. That's a specific decision that they've made, and they've tuned their platforms to take advantage of people's worst instincts in order to perpetuate that. Often with the assistance and explicit consent of governments which want these platforms to be used to track everything.

They pour money into that system, it's an explicit decision they're making to push that onto people as a result of current economic and political structures, and it's due to those structures that they have that power to be able to do that, and due to those structures that these shit systems succeed, keep being cycled out in boom and bust cycles, over the better systems that people create.

it's microblogging

I never used Twitter personally, only exposed thru osmosis, so a reboot is very underwhelming. Seems perfect for somebody.

it works better than twitter

It has some flaw, but overall it's actually usable.

Missing some minor features like editing posts.

Nothing is wrong with it. It is just much earlier in the timeline of becoming twitter/xitter eventually. Maybe it'll take longer this time, maybe the change will be more subtle.

Bluesky, as a user feels like Twitter used to be.

Threads is the most enjoyable, I feel.

Mastodon, I don't get. I've been on it awhile but it's becoming used less and less by me because I don't see content I'm interested in our want to engage with and I don't know how to change it.

Essentially, everyone is on bsky now. News organizations FINALLY decided to leave Twitter and are spinning up their bsky accounts.

Is twitter again. Algorithms, adds, pay subscriptions

Bluesky is a platform by and for the most racist liberals.

It’s full of pedos