An easy guide to anti-war positions in the Ukrainian War!

Hexbear and .ml covering their ears and yelling "lalalalala"

I am glad to announce you guys that number of tankies here is below 4% according to up/downvotes

It's low enough to know them by their usernames and shame them every time they post something

Russia has all the power - they can end the war as soon as they pull their shitbirds out of Ukraine & Crimea.

And hell, get the fuck out of Georgia while we're discussing. Go home, sign up for a 12 step program and figure out your fucking lives while awaiting the warcrimes charges.

As Churchill said, Nations that go down fighting rise again, but those who surrendered timely were finished. Slava Ukraini

I feel bad for the average Ivan who gets shoved into the meat grinder, except I think those are all sunflower food now and it’s the dregs. The dregs of a brutalist society..

Slava Ukraini! It’s good to see all the weapons we built for this exact purpose being used properly, Vlad is being impaled on our 30 year old dusty stuff

Slava Palestine!

Appeasement will only strengthen Russia.

This explains this sentiment.

This isn't going to change anyone's mind. The pro-Russia folk believe that Ukraine as a nation never existed in the first place, so they are fine with below option. The top one is just wishful thinking - why would they stop fighting? They stand nothing to gain from this and they'd lose everything they fought so hard to gain.

I'll get down-voted yet again, but I'll keep saying this: If you care about Ukraine - join the war, send in the troops. Otherwise - shut the fuck up. Spamming the flag everywhere does not help. Sending weapons doesn't really turn the tides either. Cheering Ukrainian soldiers into a suicidal counter-offensive - well that's an especially fucked up thing to do.

I think for the war to end some kind of terms of peace need to be drafted and ratified by the involved parties.

It now comes down to how much war is required to achieve such a thing.

Anti war positions tend to recognize the meat grinder of conscripts is an unnecessary step and promote minimizing the amount of time it needs to run.

But I am sure there are people expecting or even outright demanding the total capitulation of a nation at war, which is a particularly brutal position to take.

OH HAMBURGERS!!!! No Ukraine??!! What will we ever do without someone to send aid to??

This is false. Russia has not moved 1cm beyond the southern states where Russians live and were being exterminated by Ukrainian forces.

Putin is not interested in taking all of Ukraine. He could have easily done it by now. Ukrainian army is a joke and virtually non existent now.

The Russians have only been defending their positions, not moving forward to take new ground.

To be honest I don't give a fuck either way. We are going to have the WW3 in a decade at the most. China is preparing to become sanction proof taking notes from Russian fuck ups and dumping US dollars and bringing back anything and everything they can to the mainland. Taiwan will be the new Poland!

And if the US continue to act like they are in control we all gonna wake up to a ruined world thanks to this pissing contest between 3 counties while we are part any of them.

With zelensky sending his support to Israel, who is also facing terror at their door step, this is an interesting take..

What gives any arbitrary country a mandate to exist though? We recognize that plenty of other social institutions are transient. Nobody demanded a massive international intervention to continue the existence of the Whig Party or the Studebaker Corporation. Why are countries unique and special? Also, this seems like a very modern thing: nobody is demanding we bring back Tanganyika or unwind German unification.

I get the desire to preserve the Ukranian culture and community. But you don't need a sovereign nation for that: compare the re-establishment of the Welsh language and culture, for example.

Would the population have been better off-- at least in the "not exploded" sense-- by backing down with a quick surrender in exchange for some "we'll formally tolerate your cultural differences" legal concessions? I'm sure at this point, it's impractical to negotiate to that, because there's too much bloodshed and burnt bridges on both sides, but it seemed like it was never even on the table: the Western world decided an independent Ukraine had to exist even if everyone involved knew it was going to be a very painful and expensive endeavour to keep it.

If BOTH stop fighting and let people negotiate peace, there will be a Ukraine AND no war.

What a fucking concept. Remember, Ukraine was the one that started the actual war, Russia just wanted to occupy Ukraine which would not have led to massive death and destruction. I am not for Russia here, because Russia shouldn't have did that shit, but for fuck's sake, don't pretend like Ukraine is completely blameless for THE DEATH OF TONS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN.

Wars aren't a game. There are no real winners, only death and destruction and sadness and years and years of lasting effects. This is 2023. Grow the fuck up and resolve your differences like adults, not a bunch of children slapping at each other crying for mommy.