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does anyone else feel enslaved?

When I was growing up the internet was a place to be liberated from the world say what you want to say, be whoever you want and form genuine communities with shared interests. Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable. Novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free in the commons allowing people access to the free flow of information under the banner of "information should be free" has largely gone away with corpratisation. I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world not this controlled censored hell hole of profiteering.

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  • At the risk of sounding like exactly what you decry, I'm going to pick on your choice of language, hopefully it will seem like it's for good enough reason. I largely sense a similar, regretful shift in the way the internet is experienced and have some mixed feelings about it, but I would be very cautious in using a term like 'enslaved'. When you choose to fire up your own high-tech information device to access the publicly available internet and you don't find the experience exhilarating or thrilling, or fulfilling, in comparison to some relatively rose-tinted view of the same experience had during your childhood can you honestly say that that is similar to enslavement?

    However, semantics aside, yeh it's kind of a shame some of the quirky rough around the edges character of the internet has changed a bit since it became more mainstream and since corporate participation has refined and figured out how to extract much more efficiently from it. That said, as is often said when this sentiment is expressed, the old style of web is still there, you just don't see it. Nothing stops people from hand coding a website if they want to, but it's unlikely to be the top of any given search result from Google, and we all use Google. Similarly, unlike decades past, there is just so much stuff on the web that these types of things will likely not be noticed. There's kind of a paradoxical relationship with how much more in general is available online with how much less varied our consumption of it is. Pretty much every web experience through a browser is going to start with www.google.com, either through the page itself or a default search bar and after that for many it's going to be facebook, or reddit or amazon. Out of billions of pages, it tends to come down to about 4 for most and then a smattering of other larger media presences accessed via the portal of one of those 4. It can seem like there's nothing else there in such a case and though not really true, it kind of in practice is true because you'll much less likely find someone's home made hobbyist website through major portals than you might have when by virtue of little else being available, that's what a search engine returned or word-of-mouth recommended.

    How bad a thing this is, is nuanced. The web is vastly more useful than it ever was, although the forces at work that made it so seem to be engaging in cannabilising themselves and one another and crippling their own utility in the never ending quest for more profit. I miss some of the feel of the earlier web, although when I was coming of age and using it heavily in the early 2000s, it was very well established already so I don't have quite the same basis of comparison as someone who might have used it throughout the 80s or 90s. I think I have detected something of a shift away from the 'edgy' persona adopted by most on forums, but then it's hard to separate my usage and interests at the time from the general web itself. I think, for one thing, there still remained even in the early 2000s, a nicheness and 'geek' culture to those who spent time on forums that tended to skew the demographic towards teenage boys although I have no evidence for this, this has gone unless you seek it out. I personally haven't really had too much of a problem with shunning and banning, in fact that type of thing tended to happen more in my earliest web experiences where there seemed to be more places that had issues with swearing, however I have seen a similar puritanical streak that results in this. However I've only really perceived that on major platforms as they've reached their stage of the life cycle where they can cash-in and must become investor and advertiser friendly. That arc, a more recent arc in my opinion does match what you're saying but I view that more of a change in how those specific platforms rather than the web itself operate. So it's harder now than maybe 5-10 years ago to speak your mind with little to no consequence or backlash on a major platform whose reach and influence amplifies that opinion to millions and millions of people. I think you have about the same capacity to speak your mind now as you ever did on the web, but lost the ability to use corporate machinery to do it and not also expect human beings to react to it and to even be silenced when doing so flies against the interests of the owners of the corporate machinery.

  • I get what you mean, but I also feel like the fediverse has given many of us a return to some of the freedoms and feelings of the early internet.

    I'm writing this from an instance I admin, an instance that exists, specifically to make a better world for queer and gender diverse folk. We prioritise minority safety over "federate with everyone", but that freedom to exist without institutionalised transphobia being ignored like it is on most social media platforms, with the ability for us to exist and communicate without being dogpiled by haters, and to actively remove the bigots, that is a freedom I haven't felt in a long time!

  • Nice hyperbole. No, I don't feel enslaved. Give me a fucking break. Enslaved, really? Be the fucking change you want to see, if you are feeling "enslaved."

    The issue with the corporate internet is that running large websites cost money. The larger the community, the more costs it takes to run. The balance between moderation and a free-for-all is delicate. Fully open allows too much spam and trolling to still remain useful, too much and people start writing in code to bypass censors. You want to go back to seedy chatrooms with a couple dozen regulars, I'm sure you can still find a few places to scratch that itch.

    Federation is a great concept, and we'll see where it goes, but social media splintering from a Twitter/Meta/Reddit stranglehold to a more splintered collection of sites has both advantages and disadvantages. On one hand, when everyone is in one place, you get a lot of idiots. On the other, you have to go to multiple places to find everyone/everything you're looking for. Seems a lot of people like the ease of one-stop-shopping, so that's how we got here.

  • This conversation has gotten out of hand. There are too many comments that are making it personal rather than focusing on the discussion. Locking it now.

  • Here's 3 interrelated things that happened, I guess:

    1. Corporatization.
    2. Centralization.
    3. Moving away from privacy by default.

    Essentially, a few companies have found a good way to make money on the Internet: gather your personal information, and use it to put advertisements in front of your eyeballs. Part of that is figuring out every little preference, trigger, and micro-identity you have so you can be fed increasingly targeted ads, and be cajoled into engaging more and more with these advertising platforms.

    Are you a liberal recently single White gay man who owns a condo in a gentrified urban neighborhood in a major US city in the Pasific Northwest, who is between 25-35 and who cares deeply about social justice? Here's some suggested products specifically tailored to you, along with some communities you can join that our algorithm has found keeps people with similar characteristics on the platform for longer periods of time. Is that increased engagement due to the discovery of a warm and welcoming community or an unending flow of rage bait? Doesn't matter! If you become increasingly attached to your community, we'll sell you things that appeal to you along those lines. If you become increasingly despondent and enraged, will sell you a solution for that too.

  • I feel enslaved pretty much all the time. Whether you're watching TV, listening to the radio, surfing the web, or simply existing somewhere that other people exist, like going to work, there's so much hidden oppression that goes unnoticed.

    Sure, the internet is a haven of free speech, but free speech isn't free, and I don't mean in the way that people have fought and died for it, though they absolutely have. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. So if you go on the internet, and talk about doing the illegal, and the police come and arrest you for plotting to do the illegal (eg, murder, or any number of traitorous acts), you had the freedom to say those things, but not the freedom from being held accountable for saying them.

    On top of that, you're constantly bombarded with information, especially on the internet about what products to buy to "improve" your life. Buy buy buy. Be a good consumer of goods and services. Don't learn to do things yourself, you'll get hurt or die, just.... Pay someone else to do it, so they can do it "right". Anything from plumbing to automotive repair, to cleaning your own house, just pay someone. The electronification of everything adds DRM to most everything so now you need to spend thousands of dollars on training and tools just to fix your own damn tractor, and companies like John Deere want us to believe it's for the best to do it this way, so only certified experts do the work so it's done correctly. But who said it needs to be done how they want it done, or that their way is better?

    At work, if you start speaking your mind, you'll find yourself in front of HR very quickly. You have to restrict your impulses, movements and speech to only what your co-workers will allow for, and what management wants you to be able to do, you'll get paid what they want to pay you, and be happy about it, or you'll find yourself destitute.

    Yeah, we're "free" to select from a hundred horrible options of how we want to be oppressed, and slave away until we die, bombarded with "experts" who charge a small fortune just to see if that pain you have is indigestion, or pancreatitis, which will kill you in a matter of hours, or not.

    We're free to live how others are willing to accept that we can. Buying our way to a mediocre existence, filled with existential dread, suffering, and little more than robbery, but because we have the illusion of choice we think that's freedom.

    Everything is a system of control. Whether you buy a house, get a job, or simply look at the TV, or the world around you, you're bombarded with information on what you should do, what you should say, how you should dress, what to think, where to go, and exactly how to enslave yourself to a system you didn't create, that wasn't made for you to succeed in, that will never stop holding you down, and takes everything from you. That includes, and is not limited to, drivers licensing, billboards, advertisements, employment, bank accounts, religion, consumerism, malls, shops, the news/media, the music you listen to, and yes, especially the internet.

    If you can't see that this is the case, you're probably too blind to realize it. You're being dazzled by the flowery language and rhetoric of the situation, thinking you know things, when all you know is what they want you to know. Companies are the root of the problem, deeply engrained in the capitalist dream and consumerist culture.

    But hey, the weather is kinda nice today, so let's enjoy that while we can and not think about the hell that is a life in today's society.

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