7mo ago

Trump tells 37 people on death row with commuted sentences to ‘go to hell’

www.theguardian.com Trump tells 37 people on death row with commuted sentences to ‘go to hell’

On Truth Social, president-elect also lashes out at Chinese troops in Panama Canal and Canadian PM Justin Trudeau

Summary

Donald Trump criticized President Biden’s decision to commute the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates, calling them “violent criminals” and wishing them to go to hell.

Trump also took the opportunity to sarcastically wish a “Merry Christmas” to Chinese troops in the Panama Canal and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Trump’s post also included references to his previous attempts to purchase Greenland and his suggestion that Wayne Gretzky run for Canadian Prime Minister.

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Why do we have to hang on every word this fucking arsehole says? He's an utter cretin.
- Well the media invested a lot of time and effort to get him elected and now they want to cash in on all that hard work.
- Four years.
  Four goddamn years I had to wake up every day and pay attention to what asinine shit the President of the United States tweeted.
  Because, unfortunately, that utter cretin had the nuclear button.
  And now we have to endure another four years of the same.
  Shit, for all the bad things you can say about Biden, you can at least say that whenever you heard a story start with "Today, the president said..." in the news, you weren't immediately going "ah fuck here we go". Four years I dealt with that kind of reflexive dread.
  God, I wish I could just slip into a coma until 2029.
  
  Honestly, if we get out of this one without some sort of nuclear exchange, I’m going to be mildly shocked. Remember: this is the guy who had to be talked down from nuking a fucking hurricane, and apparently it took a while to convince him it wasn’t the sharpest idea.
- Personally I'd like to keep up with the Canada comments considering he's threatening to annex our fucking country. Americans, fix your country
  
  It's not my country. Mine has it's moments but it's not that stupid.
- Because he's itching for vengeance against his enemies and is about to be in charge of the most powerful military and intelligence operations in the history of the world.

He sure does talk a lot of shit about death penalty for someone who allegedly committed high treason, punishable by death.

Why I don't support the death penalty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney
- Not to mention that no other OECD country except for Japan still has it.
- I have two reasons why I'm against it.
  Innocent people will get sentenced. There's no way around that. Sententing an innocent person to death is among the greatest injustices I can think of so I'll rather have someone guilty walk free. Granted that sentencing an innocent person to life in prison aint that much better but this is where the second reason comes in.
  I don't believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*. It's like punishing a grizzly bear for attacking a person. If you're danger to society you should be locked up one way or another but not as a punishment but to keep others safe. I think that even if you're a murderer you should be treated well and we should figure out a way for them to live relatively normal lives behind the bars. They can't help themselves. They didn't choose to be born that way and thus shouldn't be punished as if they could have acted otherwise.
  * Risk of consequences still works as a deterrence and that "punishment" be it fine or jail time should still be carried out because otherwise it loses its credibility.
  
  In extreme cases sure, tho I feel the need to point out the context of the vats majority of criminals being conditioned into crime by their surrounding. Poverty and discrimination come to mind among others. I my opinion the best way to prevent anything is to hit it at its source, in this case making every day life more livable. Not only does that mean life must be comfortably affordable, but mental health should also be a top priority.
  
  I absolutely agree with point 1.
  I've never really thought about point 2. I don't think I'm ready to say I don't believe in free will, but I do agree that people are largely a product of their circumstances. I think in the case of a serial killer, it might not meet your definition of "free will" but it's a person who has been methodical about the taking of life and not shown any contrition.
  I would however add point 3. I don't want to take someone's life even if they deserve to die.
  ... and point 4 I just thought of... there's not really any good reasons for capital punishment. It's not a deterrent, and who cares about the cost of incarceration really.
  
  Doesn't point 2 kind of justify execution too? We're not chosing to execute that action it was pre-determined that we would execute that person from the moment the universe began.
  
  I don’t believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*.
  Let me guess, part of the Sam Harris cult?
  
  Punishment is a behaviorist intervention. It doesn’t rely on the concept of free will. In fact, it depends on the lack of free will to make any sense at all. If there were free will, people would be able to change without punishment.
  But killing someone isn’t a punishment. It’s a deterrent. It’s not designed to change behavior. It’s designed to end it.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Francis
  
  History is filled with innocent bodies due to the death penalty.
- Before I clicked this link, I already had visions of that kid with tears in his eyes as they put him in the electric chair... and hoped that it wasn't the same one.
  I'm surprised to learn he's 14, he looks 9!

He should do that himself, he would be right at home.
- We don't want him

Reminder that about 1 in 25 people on death row are estimated to be innocent.
- Reminder trumps been found very very guilty.
- That seems very low.
  
  That's a good thing.
  
  And yet way too damn high

Old man yells at clouds

Actually he said "Governor" Trudeau
- were just given, incredibly, a pardon by Sleepy Joe Biden
  dumfuk lying again. on purpose. trying to get the cult riled-up over 'pardons' that didn't happen.
  a commuted sentence is not a pardon.
  these 37 men are still guilty. they are still in jail.. for life.. without parole. they will remain there and never be released.
  
  The best part is nobody fucken knows what that means and they just believe these dudes are instantly set upon the streets.

Who the fuck cares what this guy writes on Christmas. Dude just says the same ignorant shit over and over to rile up his supporters.

A tyrant's rage
A nation divide
Like toddlers tears
When rattles denied
"That was my thing!"
Now broken plans
As he wipes a tear
with little hands
Biden stole
His hateful thunder
Who's next in sight?
I mustn't wonder.

He’s so damn embarrassing. What the heck did I just read

but he was the first "president" to march in the "pro life" rally 🙄
- No no no, you have to understand. Pro life doesnt mean they value life. It means they value their control over others' lives. So this fits in perfectly.

Trump, do you really want those violent criminals to go to the same place you’re destined for?

In the great Christmas spirit.

"You first."

Trump is sad that he only gets execute one of the remaining three. The other two (Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers) are destined for bigger things in the Trump cabinet.

What, does it want to have tea with them in about a decade?
- No, he's pissed because the neo Nazis weren't commuted.
  
  Then he can do that himself in a couple of weeks. I was just joking that he was going to hell.
- God, I hope it's so much less than a decade
  
  If we're resigned to living in a fascist hellscape, I'd rather have the hard to control idiot at the helm. He seems to cause them at least half the pain he causes us.

Quite a display of senile dementia.

Biden’s move reduced the death sentences of 37 out of 40 prisoners on federal death row to life imprisonment without parole and followed pressure from campaigners who warned that they were likely to be executed on Trump’s return to the White House.
The exceptions applied to three men who had been convicted of offences regarded as terrorism or hate crimes, including Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was found guilty of carrying out the 2013 Boston marathon bombing attack.
Honestly if it's taking us this long to off the Boston Marathon Bomber, is it really any difference? /joke

No honour among thieves.

given his impotence for this issue I can see why he decides to shake fist at raincloud.

Would you be for a death penalty in cases where you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person that is accused is the perpetrator? And by shadow of a doubt, I am not referring to the very loose standards that most law enforcement relies on. I mean that the person was caught in the act.
- In my case, no...for two reasons.
  First, you can never be 100% sure you have the right person (especially given a lengthy history of police falsifying evidence, etc., and there can always be other factors involved). If you incorrectly put someone in jail you can attempt to make amends later, but how do you make amends to a person you murdered?
  Second, given how human beings have evolved and how their brains function, life in solitary would be a far worse punishment if the goal is to punish or make them suffer for their crime. If your goal isn't punishment or reform, but instead simple revenge, then I suppose this argument wouldn't carry much weight for you.
  
  I feel you are misunderstanding me. I am not asking about hypotheticals where the police lie. I am saying that in a hypothetical where YOU can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt.
  It's not about rehabilitation or punishment. It's about logistics. If there is a dog that repeatedly attacks other people, children and dogs and rehabilitation has failed. The only recourse would be to terminate that dog as it is unsafe for society for the dog to be allowed out. Sure, you could build a secure containment facility to house your inmate dog but at what cost. At that point you are then taking resources that could be better spent to help people in need to contain a problem that will not be solved. I am actually in agreement with you that it's a far crueler punishment to keep somebody alive in a non autonomous position that they would hate.
  
  The goal of punishment is not to break a person beyond repair. The goal is always to make them not commit that crime in the future. Punishing a person with a lifelong sentence just so that they experience the worst possible misery is just revenge.
  That said, I am not advocating for death sentence.

Won't anyone think of the serial killers???

To be fair under Trudeau Canadian Hospitals started encouraging patients to kill themselves in the name of "Freeing a few beds", to be even more fair Donald Trump isn't even the president-elect, why are they talking about him and not the actual election winner, 47th President of the US, Elon Musk?
- Maid was never about killing people to free space. Maid was intended for people who's injury / illness has condemned them to suffering every moment for the rest of their natural life, it is an optional way out for people who have zero quality of life with the expectation that it will never get better.
  I will never expect someone to use Maid, but I will never criticize so.eone who does.
  
  As someone whose grandparents suffered a lot their last days on earth, I would (for me, not them).
  Specially if I turn out to have Alzheimer's like one of them. I want to die with as many of my memories as I can; and not let future me live in constant confusion and fear; not knowing where he is or who are all the people around him.
  I understand why other people wouldn't. But if I can have the choice; I would be seriously inclined to do it.
  
  So uh, i'm actually mates with Jonathan Marchand.
  maid is absolutely being used in soft pressure against the disabled community
  EDIT: so you might want to look up "track 2" there bucko.
  
  It may not have been intended for such, but we are seeing many cases of hospitals outright encouraging people to use maid, peopole are told they're selfish for not choosing euthanasia, TV Commericials and Youtube Ads advocating for suicide and trying to make it seem glamorous and romantic, and most heartbreaking people who choose it simply because Canada has forced them into poverty with no way out.
  As some one also in a country (America, Land of the Free for those who can afford it) that forced me into poverty with no way out, and who struggles with mental illness... it keeps me up at night sometimes.
  I got people in medical fields doing everything they can for me, multiple people, because there is a nice municipal healthcare system in place where I live.
  Would I still be alive if I were Canadian? Would the people who stopped me from killing myself be the ones to pull the proverbial trigger if I lived up North?

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