6mo ago

Stethoscope theory

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"Hey, people with too much money and power tend to become anti-human psychopaths. We should probably re-arrange society to avoid this problem."
"Yeah, a dictatorship sounds like exactly the solution to that!"
- All because Lenin betrayed the revolution, then wrote extensively about how betraying the revolution is actually good and how there needed to be a dictator to somehow make everyone equal.
  And then he used famine as a weapon against the Ukrainian farmers, setting a precedent that Stalin would use just a decade later.
  
  He mostly did that because he created a moneyless society that took everyone's money and resources in hopes of preventing anyone from hoarding anything... And then.... whoops we're having a civil war and we need other countries to back us in the fight and we can't pay them. Time to tax the people who we just told wouldn't need money anymore...
  I think he could have pulled it off, but he moved too quickly. Absolute fucking clown show

You could draw a similar diagram in other contexts. Antivaxxers coming from the left-leaning hippy crowd and converging with the religious crowd on the right. Etc.
- Yeah like Richard Dawkins pushing anti-trans conspiracy theories and platforming anti-science religous bigots.
  
  Sam Harris straight up started a "Free Will isn't real, now come cherrypick Buddhism and blame Arabs for destroying Europe with me!" cult, and became best bros with Jordan Peterson.

This makes more sense than Horseshoe Theory, since I've yet to see someone go so far right that they wind up on the left.
- The political spectrum is a 3D one. You've got left wing and right wing then you've got dictatorial and liberal, but the third dimension is the important one. The Z axis is intelligence. The right seem to move both to the right but also down into the realm of deeply stupid, after a while they hit the edge of the graph in the x-axis but the z-axis seems to extend infinitely into the stupid.

Saddest political compass ever.

The more one's political thinking is made up of slogans from pre-packaged ideologies, the less it is anchored in actual Principles.
Tankies, same as Fascists, don't really do the "what are my values" part in determining their own political posture and the "does this fit my values" part of judging a situation and instead just follow a "good people"/"bad people" "logic" were it's somebody else who tells them who are the "good people" and who are the "bad people", hence why it makes absolute sense for them to defend an agressor (in their view "good people") against a victim (either not "good people" or even "bad people").
Mind you, this is not just Tankies and Fascists: look for example at how the situation in Gaza is politically interpreted in Germany and what you find is almost always a "This
<entire etnicity>
are good people who can do no wrong hence we support those who claim to represent them even when mass murdering people for being of another etnicity" kind of "logic".
I would even go as far as saying that most of modern politics is anchored on such ultra-reductive pre-packaged ideologic takes separate from Principle: that "center" is a bit further up and closer to Tankies and Fascists, IMHO.

I got banned in a community for calling out a tankie who for tacitly supporting October 7 and calling him a terrorist because of it. Israel's disproportionate response by killing civilians does not make October 7 better. I got banned for calling a spade, a spade, but allow doublespeak if it favours their biases.
- No, you got banned for being a massive arsehole. Seems to be a habit for you.
  Mod log:
  https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=5540123
  
  Of course calling out hypocrisy from tankies will always be deemed "arsehole" by tankies (notice that all the communities that banned me are all tankies). The modlog says it all: I called out the previous comment for deliberate lying. Anyone with two brain cells to rub and time to waste to backtrack the conversation could put two and two together.
- You don't blame a kicked dog for biting. That's not a tankie opinion, it was everywhere a year ago.
  ETA: Hell, I just remembered that I dropped that line during a first date in February and got an "Exactly!" in response.
  
  We aren't talking about dogs here, neither are we talking about biting. We are talking about humans making the deliberate choices to kill, rape, abduct, and torture other humans. You do blame people for murder, no matter why they did it. Doesn't mean Israel doesn't do evil shit and their policy towards Palestinians isn't disgusting, but it doesn't justify murder, rape, a d torture. That doesn't mean that Israel should not be pressured to stop some of their policies and operations which are openly in defiance of international humanitarian law, not justified by need, unnecessarily and unjustified brutal, and against common decency. To claim that the actions of either side are forced upon them by necessity or somehow dictated as response is to deny their humanity, their agency as individuals and political entities, and their right to self-determination. Neither of them is justified on their actions and all of them are committing grave, non justifiable, unnecessary, and self defeating evil.
  
  Human beings aren't dogs.

What does the y axis represent?
- There is no axis. Only Allies.
- It's not a chart. There's no axis'
  
  Yes, there is. The Axis is on the far right.
  
  Im not understanding what you mean, are you saying the closer 2 things are the more similar it is? if so what does the black line represent?

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