Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks
Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks
Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador on Monday called for an end to the "irrational" war in Ukraine, urging upcoming peace talks in the Middle East to include representation from both Ukraine and Russia.
Well... he isn't wrong. It is indeed completely irrational to fight 17 months, lose hundred thousand+ soldiers, most of your somewhat modern equipment and damage your economy for decades to come while proving to be incapable of even remotely reaching the goals set for just a 3-day-long invasion. And Russia should finally pack up, go home and end this shit show.
And now let's wait for his brilliant plan to actually get Russia to wake up from their insane fever dream and delusion of grandeur... That is his plan, isn't it? *cough*
33It is indeed completely irrational to fight 17 months, lose hundred thousand+ soldiers, most of your somewhat modern equipment and damage your economy for decades to come while proving to be incapable of even remotely reaching the goals set
But enough about Ukraine's performance in this war...
-16Which part of this is Ukraine, exactly? The "irrational" fighting, the "somewhat modern equipment", or the "incapable of reaching the goals set"? Because afaik, Ukraine is still standing, fighting with modern equipment, and with unwavering support for future reconstruction from its allies
Try to keep the response coherent
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The only person who said 3 days was some random US general, why are y'all using it as some sort of gotcha?
-24Even if it was hyperbole, which it isn't, they still tried to blitzkrieg and failed.
6Go on, respond then
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Given that Russia appears to be winning this conflict, seems that the fever dream and delusions of grandeur are in the west.
-37Are they? It's difficult for me to tell given I have a language barrier and the vast majority of English-language information is obviously supportive of Ukraine. From what I have understood, it seems that Russia has gained a modest amount of land at significant cost in terms of human lives and internal political stability.
But I am also unsure how much I hear about the civil discontent is reflective of the actual Russian situation, beyond average pacifist sentiment. "Their society is in turmoil!" sorts of stories have been used in past conflicts to keep up public support for wars by making it sound like victory is around the corner.
Discriminating signal from noise in war media requires really active constant effort that I just can't maintain long term when there are so many conflicts. As much as I want to. I also think the whole thing has been lose-lose for people and the environment, but that's another topic altogether.
16Only in your dreams.
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Hey Andres, if the USA would invade and annex the Yucatán Peninsula (Cancún) how would you feel if some country on the other side of the world ask you to stop the fight and just talk to the USA? ... yeah, right.
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8By that logic the entirety of America should declare unending war against the United States. Doesn't sound that terrible if you ask me, but isn't exactly the "humanitarian" approach.
2Yucatán doesn't have Americans living in it.
In fact America did invade and annex parts of Mexico. Why do you think half of California has Spanish names?
-2Oh man, wait till you find out what US has done to Mexico.
-5Oh man wait until you hear about China starting a territory dispute with India, Japan, the Philippines, and building artificial islands to try and claim more territory!
What dumb fucking country tries to start a land war with THE ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH A COMPARABLE POPULATION?
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Then push Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and pay reparations for the damage they've done. The only thing irrational about this war is that Russia started it and keeps acting like it's justified.
6YEah I don't care but diplomacy would be nice. You can't sell me a war.
2Given Angela Merkel said outloud that minsk negotiations were a delaying tactic, what incentive is there to negotiate?
A ceasefire would be great. Which is why you don't use negotiations cynically.
1Remeber, this idiot side is with the russians.
0Looks like you pissed off a bunch of tankies lmao
-1I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that the mexican president is in cahoots with the russian government.
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