Thank you Microsoft, for the final push
I've been dual-booting Linux and Windows for a while, with Windows as the fall-back option in case I wanted to use Office for something. Now that they tried to trick me into paying a subscription for their AI slop machine, I'm finally, fully out. It was a pain to actually track down and back-up the stuff that was held for ransom in OneDrive, but now it is done.
I feel like Windows tries with every change to push it's users to Linux.
Secret good guy MS - get everyone onto Linux and tank their stock price 😂
They got me, installed Mint a couple of weeks ago
I purged the Windows partition yesterday, fellt like pouring bleach on a stain...
I killed my windows partition a week ago as well.
Let's goooo
I feel like Windows tries with every change to push it’s users to Linux.
Even their core applications move to being web based.
We're already past that point, we're now at "cram copilot into everything, even if it makes no sense."
At least they don't make you pay for cancelling like Adobe does
What stopped me initially from paying Adobe was the fact that they force you to use their Cloud app which served no purpose to me. A crack doesn't come with Cloud or at least a disabled one... Now that I know you have to pay to cancel, I'm pretty happy that Adobe stuff is easy to crack.
Cracked software still enables their dominance over the market.
What? How much is it? Surely that can’t be illegal?
You have to pay if you want to stop a year's commitment early. Iirc you have to pay half of what you promised you would pay them over the year. So if you changed your mind it's cheaper to cancel than to continue paying for the months you have left.
If you sign a contract agreeing to their terms (and receive a discount in exchange) you have to follow them. The same goes for any other contract where you have a year's commitment like for an ISP. It's all pretty standard.
Is it annoying? Yeah obviously but they make it pretty damn clear when ordering that it's a year's commitment and that you receive a discount. Any reasonable individual should be able to figure out why you get a discount.
Sounds like having to pay a fee when you break a contract... So probably legal.
Obviously you have to pay to cancel a year's commitment.
They give you a discount for your commitment to pay for a year and they make that pretty clear on their website when ordering. I can post screenshots of that but I really hope that won't be needed, just check for yourself.
If you don't want a year's commitment you can just pay the higher price for a months commitment.
Pretty sure you have to pay half of what you promised to pay them had you kept paying for the whole year. I highly doubt that they legally have to even do that. I doubt that an ISP or utility company would let you cancel at all if you had a years commitment.
P.S it's ridiculous that I have to say this but yeah I know that Adobe suck. Fuck em and all that. I'm just saying that this particular thing isn't unusual or should be in any way unexpected when you sign up for a year's commitment.
You should try OnlyOffice. It is very similar to MS Office and fully compatible with Microsoft formats. It has fully replaced MS Office for me for all office work. Also it can be easely integrated with your private NextCloud. You can install it from Flathub.
Edit: it also lets you edit and convert pdfs like Adobe Acrobat Pro
Is this better than LibreOffice?
PSA: OnlyOffice does/may have close ties to Russia:
I use LibreOffice for this very reason
I think yes, especially for making presentations
I tried using it on several occasions, but it is extremely slow for me, with occasional visual glitches... I use Wayland, if it makes any difference. How's the OnlyOffice performance for you? Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Someone comment on this reply so I can down this and try it on my way back from Sam's Club.
Bulk buying ftw
I love libre office for quite a bit of the same features.
Update in my previous message: so now I'm trying to install onlyoffice in a docker container on a server and I can't even get http to work, less even https. A simple connect to port 80 just gives me connection refused, even though netstat shows docker proxy listening there, port 443 gives me connection opened that right away closes, doing nothing. Logs show nothing
This is the sort of WTF that I really don't understand. Onlyoffice is really nice, why is the installation such a headache and fight after fight?
I've installed countless different services and programs in a myriad of different ways, and 99% of the time it's a few commands and done. 0.9% of the time I have tondo some significant extra work to get it completely done (nextcloud is here, not that it's hard but there are so many built in functionalities that you need to perform a number of extra steps) and then there is the 0.1% which is just a right nightmare for no good reason.
I have setup various dockers with little issue, onlyoffice just never works. WHY?
I would go for collabora if it wasn't s shitshow itself when used in an office setting with dozens of users. Colabora is nice for a single user system, that's it. I need perfect multi user document editing and onlyoffice offers this.
How do I set this crap up?
I used OnlyOffice via native .deb package. And yes it broke my apt every time and on every update. I managed by manually editing install scripts to make it work. I never used docker before but want give it a try (maybe podman instead). You can also write your problem and questions to !selfhosted@lemmy.world community, maybe they can help you
Let me preface this rant with that I think only office is the best online web based solution, I loved what it could do 8 years ago and I assume it's a lot better now.
I'm trying to setup nextcloud with only office, again. Nextcloud setup is a btrrze, only office always is and always has been a crime against humanity to setup correctly.
I've used only office successfully only once, some 8 years ago or so, in my own company. I've made some 10 attempts after that, over the various years, and I always failed. I have some 25 years of professional it experience and only office always eluded me.
Issues are either that I just can't get it installed and running at all, or that it's impossible to connect to next cloud.
Installing it with Deb files (or the installation script that does Deb files) is a very bad idea, that never works, the install crashes and usually leaves your server in a broken state, even after removing everything.
So now I am again trying to set it up using docker, so far with little result.
So having said all that: can you give some pointers on what you did to get it working?
I have to wonder if anyone at Microsoft is paying attention. It’s like New Coke in the 80s. They quickly realized they fucked up and rebranded the original as Classic Coke. I’m wondering if there will be a Windows Classic coming out soon with no AI, no subscription, no forced cloud dependency bullshit. lol probably not but whatever.
Keeping with the soft drink analogy, I think Pepsi tried something similar in the 90s with Crystal Pepsi, which also failed miserably.
If “lime must go up” always, then they need to come up with a better way than product enshitification.
New Coke was different in 2 important ways.
There's no real commercial competition for Microsoft. Linux is great, but there's nobody for a business to call when shit fucks up. And Apple's walled garden and high prices make it terrible for enterprise.
The bill I paid for Suse support contact at an old company I worked for begs to differ. The problem is home or smb are a rounding error for MS. They already got your money from hp or Dell etc. When you bought your computer. Making you the product with the ad and the ai bullshit to swallow your data to train their models is all icing on the cake.
As long as people do nothing other than complain and continue to use the product they have no reason to change.
There's enterprise support for several Linux distributions like
https://www.suse.com/services/premium/ (and SEL is a thing) or
https://ubuntu.com/support
Whether those distros meet the demands is a different animal.
As long as companies are eating that they will be ok. BUT, like most tech companies, at some point they will pull a broadcom and then the alternatives will thrive.
For the moment they don't care about what the customer wants because their most important market is enterprise, not the customer. I'm not sure what would change that except hitting a critical mass of C-suite people who get fed up with it.
Cancelled mine too. Don’t particularly care about the AI. But I don’t need it and trying to justify increasing the price for it didn’t really work on me.
I’ve also gone all-in on Linux now. While I have a Mac, my gaming PC was left on Windows. Now it’s running Linux Mint and while gaming on Linux has a bit further to go, it’s night and day compared to 10 years ago. This time I feel like I can actually stick with it.
Welcome! Been like a year and a half for me, and I can't even imagine ever going back to Windows. Just using it for work is already too much.
I can feel the bloat when I use it now. Like you need to get from point a to b in a hallway. It's just you...and windows inflatable boat they fully inflated in the hallway between a and b. And you have to squeeze through to go to point b.
Yeah, Linux feels like what using a personal computer was always supposed to be.
The same thing happened with me. This was probably going to be my last year anyway, but i noped out real quick after the increase. Only reason I still had it was because I had some stuff in OneDrive that I was slowly backing up elsewhere. That just gave me the motivation to take care of it finally.
Just cancelled my 365 the other day too. Been on Linux for half a year now and forgot I had it until the news of the copilot price increase came out and reminded me. I was happy I could cancel and be refunded the remainder of the term and get some money back in my pocket!
I recently moved my digital life away from google and microsoft. I previously had the following subscriptions:
And I had a gmail account, which I often used for SSO. I realized that, the total monthly cost of these subscriptions together was more expensive than a single Protonmail *family * subscription, so I cancelled them all, got the family subscription, and now my wife and her sister all have protonmail accounts as well as storage, a password manager, and VPN access. In the process of moving my logins to my protonmail account, so that I don't have to keep my ancient Facebook account around for signing into things like spotify anymore. Coupled this with moving to the federated internet from reddit and instagram
I also dropped office for libreoffice. MS Office provides dubious value over the free competition, especially with a SAAS model.
Bitwarden
Do you mean Bitdefender (the antivirus)? Bitwarden is free.
Before anyone well ackhuallys me yes, there is a very cheap $0.80/mo plan if you want an authenticator.
I had a bitwarden premium family plan
I've actually never even had office, just libreoffice
Libre office is better too. MS builds so much bloat in it hampers functionality hard. I only use MS for work.
Depends what you need. Many publishers require certain features from MS Word that are not available or are not as 'compatible' in LO Writer (not that its LO's fault ;), but for most use case I would agree. Things are a bit more complicated in the case of Excel as far as I can understand what I read (edit: I don't use much spreadsheets myself).
I've quit using MS Word a few years ago, fully switching to LO Writer. There are a few issues here and there but nothing that's a deal breaker (and Word had its own issues too), and I must quite like many things in Writer—beside the app not spying on me, I mean ;)
This true for most people, but Calc is limiting for certain use cases.
I was thinking to myself that I need to cancel mine. Then yesterday I got charged $127 for the yearly renewal.
I thought I was SOL but you can cancel and get most of the money back. So it's not too late to cancel and rid yourself of it.
I can finally say that I'm making the move to Linux now, as I'm dual booting Fedora. I plan to try to do my regular browsing and activity on Fedora, while keeping my school work and what little gaming I do (laptop user) on Windows. Hell, once I get confident enough in my Linux skills, I'll probably move the school stuff over to Fedora too.
I'm doing it mostly cause I've read the privacy horror stories, but also because I just hated Windows 11. Like there's nothing about it that is worth staying for... The excessive resource use, random settings being changed that you have to dig to find, the shitty Co-Pilot ads, and the fact I won't be able to use office once I graduate... Yeah no.
Good thing is I'm a cyber student, so guess I'm just getting a head start for a easier grade in my future Linux class lol.
Same, Microsoft is about to force my laptop to update and I am about to own zero devices that run Windows.
There is no coming back either, which is what makes the schadenfeude of Microsoft (the dog) really actually catching the car this time so funny and satisfying.
I think it is going to make heads spin how fast the idea that Windows has unassailable hegemony in the desktop space becomes an antiquated idea. There is an asteroid in the sky, and the time of dinosaurs is over.
All the alarm bells should be going off at Microsoft hq and I know they probably feel like they are sitting pretty and feel nice and future proofed in their business plan, it is amazing and makes my heart sing.
Sorry not sorry you law breaking, monopoly chasing, morally bankrupt losers. You might be richer than I ever will be, but lets be honest, that is because I have standards about what I am willing to do for money.
They dgaf about us. Their Enterprise clients are their cash cows. But we are rid of their fleas nonetheless
Yeah I know that is how they see it but the generational wave they have been coasting on was the fact that computer nerdy kids would learn the ins and outs of Windows software long before even entering the workplace.
Microsoft has been taking advantage of the fact that kids like me would be so excited to learn computers that they would learn the basics of just poking around the desktop before they could read.
Nowadays that is gone, there is no playful connection and the sea of change will butterfly-effect into the future and cause a million symptoms of an issue we all know Microsoft will never actually value or address.
Microsoft has been functioning this entire time with a special unspoken in with nerdy kids who grow up to build important and valuable computer tools. Microsoft has steamrolled that, and on the scale of 10+ years I am not sure there will be anything Microsoft can actually do to mitigate the strategic defeat that is going to cause even if they are able to be honest and lucid about it at that late date.
More and more computer nerdy kids are going to learn the shit out of Linux because it is where they game and it feels welcoming to them (i.e. it doesn't feel like sneaking into a suffocatingly boring office full of identical cubicles that gives periodic blaring notifications on a gambling casino nobody your parents know can afford called the Stock Market).
I can't understate how much this will lead to Microsoft completely losing the plot because no one could ever suggest this as a danger in a Microsoft boardroom and be taken as seriously as they should.
gets popcorn I for one am going to enjoy the show
Same across the board.
I stopped buying Skype credit once subscriptions were forced.
Deleted my Microsoft account yesterday!
Yes, even though I did not have a subscription, watching them do stuff like this every 2 weeks for the last year or more is what finally pushed me off to Linux as well. I got my parents moved over as well though, and they did have a subscription previously.
What distro are you using, and how difficult was it for you to get started with it?
I'm currently making a list of distros and looking at each's pros and cons, including:
The way to go about this is to just download Linux Mint and begin using it. No additional overthinking is necessary. You'll be able to get Steam working pretty easy, if that's your thing. Internet bowsers and a word processor are already installed and working out of the box.
I started trying out Linux a few years ago, on a few different computers. Well first, a really long time ago, but I was a Mac user for a long time, and then switched to Windows in 2018, so my modern Linux experience started in 2021 or so.
On my home PC I started with Mint, but because I was doing some programming, ran into problems because the compilers and CMake there were too old to compile a few things I needed to work on (CUDA was the problem for CMake, C++20 was the problem for the compilers). Switched to Tumbleweed, was happy with that for a while.
Meanwhile, on my laptop, I switched from Manjaro to Fedora KDE spin after some stability problems, and was so pleasantly surprised by how it was both solid and up-to-date, that I ended up moving everything to that.
Edit: biggest problem I had was when I tried to install Mint on an office PC that I built for myself. Mint didn't support the on-board ethernet so I had no way of getting it online, and after getting lost in forum posts, gave up.
I used to recommend Mint a lot, but it's falling too far behind hardware wise and in the front end. Lack of default Wayland support and so many unsupported hardware is not where you want to be sending new users today.
+1 for Fedora based distros at this point. I tend to push Nobara because it has a lot of hardware tweaks built in to give a better out of the box experience, but I can't really say vanilla Fedora has had issues as long as I was on an AMD platform.
my unsolicited 2c is to checkout mint
Agreed, using Mint after dropping Windows. Haven't turned back. Have a piece of work software that requires windows to some degree, so I've installed Bottles to assist with that and it's been pretty good for me so far.
Personally, I've found the most supported software from Linux mint
I've heard PopOS/Linux Mint are great starters. I personally run ZorinOS which is based on Ubuntu. It's beautiful, had built in customization, and has a free version (I paid for the pro version because I liked it so much and wanted to support it).
You'll find occasional headaches in all Linux distros just because it's not windows so compatibility can require work arounds depending what you wanna run. But it's worth it. Feels so much faster and in your control which is nice. Also if you screw up the distro you can just boot another distro from the flashdrive you used to install in the first place (keep the ISO handy just in case ;) ).
It's good to see the KDE wallpaper in the background.
What I've done is just bought a second hand key for Office 2014, and it works like a charm. Got it for like $10, and no money went to M$, and it has been working for several years without a problem.
For my personal desktop, at least. For my laptop rocking Linux I've been using LibreOffice without a problem.
MAS will also work for many office versions.
Going to dump it when the wife's done with school. I was only keeping it for that and one game. So sick of subscriptions and the product isn't even good except for Excel.
I mean, you have to use the heck out Excel to get into features that aren't in free projects like Libreoffice or OnlyOffice as well.
And once you are using those you are probably better off using sqlite or even running a full SQL server.
True. They’ve come a long way.
What was it you would fallback to use Office for that you couldn’t do on Linux?
It mostly has to do with formatting things: sometimes I'll go to a conference, and they want the slides put on their computer, and powerpoint might display differently than on my Linux laptop, or collaborating on Word documents, where formatting can be somewhat fragile. In the past few conferences though, I got by fine with my laptop, making a PDF of the slides as a backup... So I was confident that things will turn out okay before I pulled the plug.
Are the webapps free or do you have to pay for them too? Could be a good option if collaborating with other people is important.
I suspect that you could use Linux, but people have muscle memory for certain things ig
Bro I use windows for mostly gaming and it forced me to update to 24h2 which broke most games.
Same for me.
Unless you're specifically referring to games with kernal-level anti-cheat, I'm curious as to what games you need Windows for.
Personally only use Windows on my work laptop and even that I am questioning it, might start using my Linux VM for day to day work
What was painful about getting the stuff out of OneDrive?
When I did this it was straight forward.
mainly it was because I was trying it from my linux desktop, and if you try to download a large collection of files from the onedrive web interface it's 50/50 if it fails half-way through
Ah yes. I've had the same issue. The web download is hit and miss. Totally understand, and a warranted description of that experience.
Just going to mention that if you're okay with non-FOSS office software, I really like Softmaker's suite (their buy-once non-subscription version).
Have you tried running Office in a bottle?
which distro though
Fedora KDE spin
Where Linux?
Their wallpaper is from KDE plasma