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I'm still waiting for my "AdBlOcKeR bAd 😭" popup, at this point I'm actually disappointed it hasn't shown up yet.
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I'm using ublock and firefox (on arch btw) if your curious
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I imagine, they stretch this out over a longer period, so no shitstorm forms...
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I've been binging YouTube, preparing to disengage forever...
It's been weeks now. The popup still hasn't come up
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I wanted to say the same but then remembered I'm using piped for a while now lol
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People keep saying this but I guess I'm on the lucky slow end of the rollout because I haven't had my adblock stop working yet.
But they've done this before, it's just a cycle. If I have to, I'll start using a new adblocker, or entirely diffent way to access the videos, once an option becomes available shortly, inevitably. No reason to worry about this long term IMO.
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Man, I'm still waiting on Netflix to tell me my parents and I can't use the same account. They asked for an email verification code one time and that's been it.
Honestly I'm just kind of blue balled at this point. Just make me cancel already!
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This has pissed off a lot of people, including tech youtubers that have had to turn to alternative income sources like sponsors and patreon that are working on or promoting as blockers.
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After updating my uBlock lists to the latest version the popup no longer appears. Something to try out.
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Chrome based browsers can get fucked.
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It impacts Firefox as well
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It's not browser specific.
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Maybe I've found a definitive solution, because adblocking only works for a few days, until Google noticed it and put contrameasures. In Firefox install Tampermonkey and in it this script
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/477725-youtube-iframe-adblocker
In Vivaldi no need of Tampermonkey, download the link to an folder and don't delete it. Open the Extension page in developer mode and drag the script in it. Done
It is an ingenious userscript that helps persistent YouTube viewers bypass the frustrating "Ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube" message. It employs a clever technique of dynamically inserting an iframe player to replace the standard YouTube player. This method effectively circumvents YouTube's ad-blocker detection, allowing for an uninterrupted, ad-free viewing experience even after YouTube's standard measures have been triggered. So you can still use your adblocker without problems.
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I would just caution anyone that blocking ads while logged into your Google account is probably a bad idea if you care about still watching videos there. Google will grow more desperate to show tracked ads to users.
The only ling term solution is to seek to watch YouTube e videos in a private way. Freestone is a good start. New piped and individuals look promising as well. I'm still researching a good long term solution.
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Front-ends and streaming platforms are several outsite, but Google also is blocking those, its not a solution for a long term. I was recently using FreeTube as a desktop client, but it has become unusable. I recently replaced VLC with SMPlayer, MMplayer like VLC but way better, also FOSS, this allows me to watch, among others, streaming videos from different sites, among others also from YT so far without problems. I also use an extension (FOSS) that allows me to record the audio of the active tab and save it as mp3, that is, with this it does not matter whether it is a music video from YT or from other sources and with this outside of Google's control.
A good option is also IMDB, or better its online service, Odysee, which allows you to import subscriptions and playlists from YT, it is somewhat complicated to do, but it is guided. Odysee is not related to Google, it has a UI similar to YT and a good number of videos of all kinds, many have already moved to this platform. In my opinion it is the best direct alternative to YT.
In any case, at least so far, this userscript works wonderfully and I think it will continue to work, since it prevents YT from discovering that you use an adblocker, not like other anti adblock killers whose script I also have in the Vivaldi blocker list, since these do block the YT detector, which naturally has already been discovered, however this script does not block the YT detector, but surrounds it by putting a "mask" over the video, with which the detector passes underneath without discovering anything.
The risk that YT discovers it and blocks me? Yes it does anyway if I continue using an adblocker and I prefer to suck my elbow before deactivating the ad- and all the other blockers on YT and swallowing all the garbage of ads, clickbaits and the other shit that YT is full of (a single music video, blocked 12 ads and more than 20 trackers and without the Clickbait Remover, YT completely changes the thumbnails it shows, which mostly have nothing to do with the content). No, thanks
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Google's desperation to show tracked ads is but one vector in the equation which determines longterm viability for watching Youtube ad-free for free. There are also other vectors to consider like the level of obtrusion required to actually effectively adblock-block, and its related effect on the userbase. And also just the level of inconvenience presented by ads, determined by their length, skippability etc.
The proportion of the userbase blocking ads is still relatively negligible, and this is an outcome manufactured by Google toeing the line between too obtrusive and too ineffective. Any measure I can imagine which would actually capture a significant portion of users blocking ads would also significantly skew the balance in favour of obtrusivity, which they would pay for in lost users.
As long as many users are happy to continue being vigilant in blocking ads, IMO this balance will ensure blocking ads will remain feasible.
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This is working for me, super simple to install too.
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Copy the URL, open it in a private window with ublock origin set to allowed in private windows. Can still view the video, and now they also can't attribute it to your user account.
So they lose again.
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They can definitely still associate it to your household by IP though. Me and my roommates get video suggestions for things the others are interested in because of the IP tracking.
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Yikes lol
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While they can track your IP for all sorts of nefarious purposes, they can't and won't associate it to use of an ad blocker if the ad blocker has successfully blocked their ads because they, by definition, don't know that you've blocked them. If they did they would show the popup.
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I think a VPN will then help with this.
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If I had any programming ability above the level of a sloth I’d make a blocker called “Muffler” that basically separated out all the adstreams and made them think they were viewed and played in real time, but invisible to the user.
Shouting into the void, and nothing to be done about it as they’d look like they were being played.
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Sounds like what adnauseam is doing. It loads ads hidden and clicks on some of them but I am not sure if it does that with YouTube ads or just blocks them.
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In a vice versa way, that's pi hole. The website makes ad requests to the DNS and pi hole says:
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I use pihole. Pihole does not work for sites that serve ads from the same domain, like YouTube
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Not a bad idea, but if possible, you want to skip loading the ad altogether, which is – to my understanding – what currently happens.
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This is so inherently detectable, though, I'm amazed it worked for so long and that it's still working now. Likely a consequence of offloading as much of YT onto the client side as possible, because if you're doing anything server side how hard is it to require that the ad has at least downloaded before streaming the video?
The Spotify ripper "zotify" has an undetectable "realtime" mode that does basically what OP suggested. Instead of downloading every track as fast as possible, it pretends that it's actually streaming and listening to them. Obviously it takes a lot longer to rip a whole album, but it's a good idea.
I think Spotify ripping isn't big enough that it's actually needed at this point, but it's good that they considered the potential for it.
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There was an app that did that.
Google found it and killed it.
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Piped is pretty much that.
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No love for freetube? Started using it a few days ago and it's actually brilliant. Rather than contunue with the constant battle back and forth with ublock and YouTube, I've just taken the nuclear option and blown away the front end. It's amazing. Loads faster than the Web version of YouTube too.
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Also invidious and also Piped, tons of options. Or say fuck you to google all together and go for odyssee or something
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Which Invidio.us instance would you recommend? I'm looking for one that's the most stable and relatively fast compared to other instances. Also, I believe it's also geography dependent because instances don't have CDNs?
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PeerTube has some pretty good lofi streams. I use it for that and not YouTube anymore.
Nebula.tv is a good paid streaming service if you like science goodness.
What others are there? 🤔
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Yeah, I thinknthebmost important aspect of these things is that we have to start consuming video without letting Google track our activity. Whether it is Freestone or another client, this means tacking our own video preferences and searching for likewise content manually.
I am a bit worried that long term, Google will simply withold video content. Without the ability to track users, and be the definitive authority on what a view means, Google really has no reason to stream video to people for free. Eventually, Google, in their desperation will resort to more and more forceful measures to track people who watch your videos - invalidating your Google account and cutting off your access to drive, maps, and search is a possibility.
It is prudent to get off of their client and go private now. But we also have to think about replacing the backend, similar to how lemmy is replacing the reddit backend. Peertube exists, but it is a much heavier lift for self hosting. I would also want to see a client that is committed to mixing youtube videos with peertube bidoes, or other backends before it is too late.
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you can also use invidious or piped
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Make sure you're using the latest version of uBlockOrigin, then update all your filters. Should work just fine.
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Not OP, but I tried that a couple of times and it always works for like 2 hours and then the popup reappears. I don't have any other extensions activated which might mess with uBlocks config, any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
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You are being unlucky is what you are doing wrong. The changes on YT are not being rolled out to all users at the same time. You could just be in a location or in a part of the network where changes are applied first. Nothing you can do to change that, just wait for the filter lists to catch up. Or migrate to piped or Invidious.
This whole "Firefox, Firefox, Firefox" chanting as if it prevents the ad block detection is ridiculous. The reason why FF users got spared for longer is because the marketshare of FF is so low, that it took longer until most of them were affected purely based on random chance.
I use Chrome on my work laptop and FF on my PC and I either get the detection message on both or I don't get it on either device.
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Just get into the routine of going to ublock origin addon each morning, clear the caches and loading all filters. Close all youtube tabs and reopen them. Those daredevils are playing anti-anti-adblock with youtube via blocklists daily now.
Ah, if it doesn't work, disable all addons, restart browser, update filters, try. If it works, enable addons one-by-one until the method suddenly fails.
Also pi-hole and similar adblocking solutions can cause this now, so you might need to remove those, add exceptions or stuff. It's tedious, but doable.
Might be time to migrate to indiviuous as my new youtube frontpage (uses youtube as video source, nothing lost) or setup my own instance of it. My TV runs smarttubenext for years now, anyway, which is way better than the original yt app.
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I'm way too lazy to update filter lists every day, so I just use Redirector to redirect the watch page to Invidious.
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anti-anti-adblock
Trace Buster Buster!
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Google forcing ads down our throats is putting ads in classrooms.
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One word. Piped.
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What I've been doing is using my account for subscriptions and such and having piped open in another tab, then to watch videos, right clicking on them instead of opening them, hitting copy link, and pasting that to the piped tab to quickly open them there.
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That's a good work around. You can also right click and "open in private window" and it will work just fine.
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There are userscripts that'll open your videos in Piped for you.
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You might like the libredirect addon, then. Also, you can have an account on Piped, so your subriptions are with you on any device
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Check out GrayJay it's like YouTube vanced, but it can access twitch, nebula and many other sources at the same time
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Thanks mate
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Just update the filters
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I did the recommended stuff (resetting ublock, updating the filters and Restart). The ad popup about disabling adblock still opens up.
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If you also use "Enhancer for YouTube" try disabling its adblocker.
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Yes. I updated my uBlock Origin and it seems to skip through YouTube video ads for now. But I'm sure YouTube's team is hard at work trying to overcome the new workaround. This is essentially going to be a tech arms race, lol.
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The good news is it probably costs Google 1000x in resources to come up with a solution than uBlock to get around it. Its a war they cannot truly win.
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*laughs in NoScript
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My mind was just blown. Turning off Javascript works, doesn't it?
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Very much so. Should also be deleting cookies after every session, and probably never logging in.
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Are you able to view YouTube at all with NoScript enabled ? When I tried it out last the page itself doesn't load because everything is JS based.
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Yes, just allow ytimg and youtube and it works. Though I also have Enhancer for Youtube and Unhook installed, but I doubt those have any impact.
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Why even use the offical site or app anyway?
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Because I have a family subscription. YT and YT music for the whole family, means my kids are ad free and managed. I use the heck out of it and can afford it.
I don't pay for Spotify, and with the price hike Disney + is about to get the eye patch treatment.
But I really do use the heck out of YT, so for me it's worth it.
But if you don't see the value, do what you gotta do.
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Fair enough, giving money to that corporation just feels very wrong to me. But I have to be fair here, the services Google offers are actually useful.
Not like some other mega-brands that just dick around and do fuck all
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Because hosting an invidious instance isn’t free, and I like to keep the strain off. I can only monetarily support so many tech habits!
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Haven't had this issue yet. Firefox with ublock on Linux.
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They're rolling it out only for certain users.
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staged rollout
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I've started using Piped but oh my god the fucking buffering is ridiculous
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https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped/wiki/Instances using an other instance from this list works realy fine for me
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And new circle between adBlocks and antiAdDlocks begins.
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So there's an opportunity for anyone looking to get a chunk of Youtube's market share, in other words. 🤔
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Peertube is eagerly awaiting a proper community.
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Not gonna happen because of hosting costs for a library that size
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It's never gonna happen. YouTube has monetization for creators on lock, and I don't think any other platform has a system even remotely as good.
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Not with that attitude anyhow
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So apparently there are two phases: first, a pop-up that tells you addblocker is forbidden. But if you go long enough without caring, the the message is out instead of the video.
It is based on the account. So if you open the video in another account, it works, and it also work in a private tab (I need to double check for this one).
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Why am I not having any issues blocking ads in YouTube? I use uBlock Origin and Firefox.
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A/B testing. I have your set up and am seeing g them.
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libreDIRECT firefox extension and then set piped instance to piped.video , it's pret nice
any youtube link or click you do will go to the piped.video "version" instead.
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Yeah, it's super nice. And if for some reason that instance is down, it has the integrated ability to ping other instances to see which ones work and how fast. There are a ton of nifty features in that one little add-on, it's pretty impressive.
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Oddly enough YouTube only seems to be ramping up its antiadbpocker campaign on their desktop version. The mobile version of the site works fine without ads.
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I'm using the Piped YT frontend on Firefox with uBlock and I've not once seen any add pop up. I don't have a Google account but I added a bunch of rss-feeds to my Thunderbird, so I get a message when my favorite creators make a video. This way I'm not bothered by any stupid Google algorithm. Goes to show, YT is best consumed without an account.
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I've exported my subscriptions and imported them in FreeTube. Seems to work even better since it doesn't try to hide videos in my subscription list.
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Libredirect pointing to invidious/piped. Just go.
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I think it's weird that I haven't ran into these ads yet
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I saw the pop-up a few times but a refresh made it go away.
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What has Mr. Jeremy got to do with this?
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Not sure what’s going to happen with Vivaldi given that the browser is the ad blocker.
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You can disable it on a per-site basis, just click on that shield icon on the left of the address field.
It can also be disabled globally from the settings.
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STN Beta on my AndroidTV still seems to work fine adless, though, I usually just cast my phone youtube to that and it'll just play completely adless...
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A proxied front end which works 10/10 , FOSS online and selfhostable, online with encryted server (SHA-384), very fast and lighweight, even more in Light Mode for PC with few resources. The best front end i've seen, nice UI without ads or other crap.
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What the hell is an encrypted server? What's special about SHA-384, where do they use it to improve privacy? Please don't bullshit people with random IT terms.
Glancing at the code, this is just another YT proxy. Ofc they have your user info, they just choose to only store aggregated data.
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Do you have anything better to contribute to solve the YT problem than what I have contributed in this thread?
Our servers are secured with SHA-384 Signature Algorithm; meaning we cant see the videos you watching, things you search, or things you do We migth use third party services on PokeTube, but third party request on PokeTube is proxied by default. no third party can see wat the hell ru doing on PokeTube. We do this by proxying the requests via a whole diffrent server, so no third party can see you.
Source code https://codeberg.org/ashley/poketube/
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Is this something that surfaced only recently? Can't believe I haven't come across it already, if it's as good as you make it seem
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Yes, it's pretty new. Seen in New Apps in AlternativeTo.
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I started using freetube on my computer to play around with and while it's definitely still a work in progress in some senses, it does provide a neat experience.
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No ads, nor blockings or nasty popups in YT with the inbuild ad/trackerblocker of Vivaldi, but in FF with uBO and also in Vivaldi if i use uBO instead of the inbuild blocker, not so using Adblock Plus, which is somewhat strange.
The filterlists i use in the Vivaldi adblocker are
https://downloads.vivaldi.com/lists/abp/abp-filters-anti-cv-current.txthttps://downloads.vivaldi.com/easylist/easylist-current.txthttps://secure.fanboy.co.nz/fanboy-cookiemonster.txthttps://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/Vivaldi trackerblocker lists
https://downloads.vivaldi.com/ddg/tds-v2-current.jsonhttps://downloads.vivaldi.com/easylist/easyprivacy-current.txthttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/AdguardTeam/FiltersRegistry/master/filters/filter_17_TrackParam/filter.txthttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/master/filters/resource-abuse.txtOnly extensions (related to privacy) i use are JShelter and SiteBleacher (fingerprints/scripts and sitedata, good complements to any adblocker)
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Yep, using vivaldi, the popup doesnt show up nor does the player get disabled nor do I see ads. And that's with just tracker blocking enabled and ubo off, dk why but no ads so far
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I had it pretty bad for several days, having to purge the cache several times but I saw no pop-ups yesterday or the day before that. Hoping that's still the case today
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Is there something I am missing? I am using uBlock Origin on Firefox and Youtube works the same as always.
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As with all changes at large tech companies, this change is being rolled out to a subsection of the whole userbase. As such, if you're not seeing it yet, it might be because you just haven't gotten into the rollout yet.
Or Firefox and uBlock are still managing to beat the countermeasures, who knows.
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Started on me today, but it looks like you can just remove the element that contains the message, tho
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I last updated my uBlock yesterday and I haven't seen a popup since, I might be lucky or maybe Google has backed off for now.edit: nevermind just got another one
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I'm using Vivaldi with trackers and ad blocking as default with ublock origin but when yt blocked the player from playing videos, i tried disabling ublock just for yt and switched vivaldi's blocking from ads and trackers to just trackers and havent seen any ad or that popup ever since, not sure why
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Firefox invidious redirect add on is where it’s at
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YouTube revanced still working for me...
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Anyone have a good ad blocker that works with iPad?
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On iphone i use video lite, (after the 2 week free trial) there is 1 ad when opening it (if you get one thats longer than 5 sec, just restart the app), then there are no more ads. Also you can minimize it and use picture-in-picture
Not sure if its available on ipad, though
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For youtube there's uYouPlus, but if you want a system wide adblocker you probably can't do more than AdGuard DNS (search online how (or if) you can set it up on an ipad)
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brave browser
works on all OS, blocks all ads by default. you still get the "ad blockers arent allowed" but you can just inspect element and block the popup from showing
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Don't use Brave
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Another posibility for Vivaldi user
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I used AdGuard, but I let it disabled for YouTube and only use Enhancer for YouTube and SponsorBlock - haven't got the notification, yet. Does it work for someone else or the notification just haven't got to me, yet?
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I use AdGuard on Firefox, and I've seen the pop up. So far I haven't been able to get rid of it, but I can still close it and continue watching.
I also have custom blocking lists, Privacy Badger, tampermonkey and PiHole, so it might be a problem with one of those instead of AdGuard.
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Vivaldi with uBlock Origin here. A simple refresh of the page makes the popup go away, often for the rest of the session. For me, it's YT without ads as usual. I might need to clear uBlock cache and refresh filter lists to make it work even better. There's also a Tampermonkey script for blocking the popup, but I haven't tried it yet.
As a side note, I've seen a lot of talk about boycotting Youtube. There are 3 things to consider with this:
- Boycotting YT will give Google exactly what they want, getting rid of the "freeloaders" who don't pay for Premium and block ads.
- Boycotting YT will hurt small creators who don't see much ad revenue (if any) anyway. Views and likes are what make small creators visible to the algorithm, if these drop off, their reach will diminish.
- Boycotting YT won't affect big creators with sponsorships, healthy Patreon community, millions of subscribers and views.
Best way of defiance here is not stopping to use YT, but on the contrary, generating as much traffick to YT as possible while blocking the ads.
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Why does it bring you great pleasure? I see this as an unfortunate outcome.
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That is just the meme format. When used this way, the top part implies a sarcastic tone.
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