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Mozilla Introducing 'Terms of Use' to Firefox

From the new terms:

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

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  • Firefox "never has and never will" sell your personal data was removed.

    https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e

    It was moved here, but there is no never will: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq

    It seems like every company on the web is buying and selling my data. You’re probably no different.

    Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you, and we don’t buy data about you.

    • It felt so weird to upvote this. Thanks for pointing that out, but also uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhh

    • Search for firefox-tou.
      The presence of that now magically removes mentions of privacy and not selling user-data in multiple places. 

       diff
          
-    <p>
-        Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too.
-    </p>

+    {% if switch('firefox-tou') %}
+      <p>Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too.</p>
+    {% else %}
+      <p>Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too.</p>
+    {% endif %}

      Difference here is Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. 

       diff
          
-    <h2 class="c-section-title">The best privacy</h2>
+    {% if switch('firefox-tou') %}
+      <h2 class="c-section-title">Always protected</h2>
+    {% else %}
+      <h2 class="c-section-title">The best privacy</h2>
+    {% endif %}

      Pivoting from privacy to security in the tos. 

       undefined
          
-      <li>
-        <h2>{{ ftl('does-firefox-sell') }}</h2>
-        <p>{{ ftl('nope-never-have', url=url('privacy')) }}</p>
-      </li>
+      {% if not switch('firefox-tou') %}
+        <li>
+          <h2>{{ ftl('does-firefox-sell') }}</h2>
+          <p>{{ ftl('nope-never-have', url=url('privacy')) }}</p>
+        </li>
+      {% endif %}

      As you mentioned they will apparently sell your data under tos.

      Where does the tos apply and where the mpl now?
      They would have removed all those mentions of privacy entirely if the mpl had no use anymore, wouldn't they?

    • Never trust them, they're still lying on their FAQ

      Data collection still bugs me. Can I turn it off?

      Yes. User control is one of our data privacy principles. We put that into practice in Firefox on our privacy settings page, which serves as a one-stop shop for anyone looking to take control of their privacy in Firefox. You can turn off data collection there.

      You can't just turn off data collection by opt-out through this option :-/

    • I can't wait for ladybird, firefox is going downhill because of the Mozilla Foundation

    • Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data“)

      It's killing me x)

  • I await to see technical enforcement of it. Anyone can write rules on a piece of paper, but without collecting information physically, or having someone enforce it, it's useless words. And so far it seems a lot of people and companies make rules and claims without technological enforcement.

    I imagine though at worst you can simply block all of mozilla's domains through /etc/hosts and their IPs or IP range with a firewall rule. Still sucks but you do not need to comply with it, no matter what anyone says. It's the technical aspects that are the most thorny, not the words on a page.

    By reading this comment you hearby agree to send Draconic NEO no less than $400 in the currency of AnimalCrossing bells, applies for each time you read it, and re-reads of words also count. You will also be required to stand on your head for 30 minutes for every instance of reading this comment or re-reading a word. Compliance with these terms is mandatory.

  • "Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data“), and we don’t buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP)."

    I happily switched to Zen on my desktop a while ago. Time to find a new mobile browser.

  • Mozilla and Firefox have been going downhill for quite some time now. I'm pretty surprised people are shocked by this.

    • Yeah, I'm in no way surprised by this, but still somehow deeply disappointed.

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