2d ago

Some people are stuck in the 80s

"email is inherently insecure, email can never be secure, it leaks a LOT of metadata and only the body is encrypted, subject can NOT be encrypted, you can NOT build a secure system on top of email"

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Question: why not use a protocol built and strengthened around secure chatting specifically?
Why not SimpleX or signal?
- Where is the fun in that? :D
  
  You're right. You know what? Fuck it let's use carrier pigeons with manual GPG encryption, the feds will never think of checking the skies.
- it is all about the sassy retro style and base64 MIME body
  more seriously: Signal is centralized and based on phone numbers, and as said by Signal themselves: "Privacy is Priceless, but Signal is Expensive" https://signal.org/blog/signal-is-expensive/ while email infra is WAY more economic and decentralized
  SimpleX maybe but I it is not powerful/flexible nor as solid/mature as email server infra
  
  I see, thank you. I think delta is audited too so it's pretty solid.
  Though, if you advertised delta/arcane directly instead of a meme, people might not have been so angry haha. You're free to make a post about them but please do cite the audit :)

delta chat?
- Yeah this is the guy who has been plugging it. It's not that I don't like it, but I don't like the use of the email protocols being used in that ways it wasn't meant for. Its also yet another standard when we already have a few, keeping people separate
  
  fair enough

Good bait, you could says its a masterbait. What do you recommend we switch to when making accounts?
- Matrix could be a good solution, though that only works if the services actually support it for activation and verification.
  Which ultimately is the problem with any alternative to email, they need to be supported by other services to be any useful.

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