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Google is ready to fill its AI searches with ads

www.theverge.com Google is ready to fill its AI searches with ads

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Oh thank God. I've been having too much fun with generative technology and feeling way too safe. I need someone like Google to remind me that you have to pay for freedom. For a moment there, I almost had a happy thought! Terrifying...

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Some of my friends just switched to DDG just because Google isn’t reliable anymore since the results became only ads

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- DDG isn't all that great anymore either because they get their results from Bing - which has also gone to shit. Any alternative search providers that gets their results from Google or Bing (which is most of them) are all nearly worthless now, IMHO. The ones that operate their own engines and crawlers, such as Kagi, are the ones that give results like we used to get before enshittification.
  
  But then again, with the death of web forums and everything being consolidated into a small handful of sites, site:reddit.com is required for almost every search query I do these days. If I want to read something written by an actual human being then I need to look up via Reddit or else results are just 98% AI-generated SEO garbage. Like I wish I was making that up but the majority of search results now are actual throwaway trash; pages upon pages of completely nonsensical generated rubbish.
  
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  what a surprise, yet another search engine related post where there's someone making promotion for Kagi in the comments.
  
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  DDG uses more than just Bing, and they filter out many results from Bing.
  
  Bing is their primary source of results for the traditional search entries, but if they’re able to determine the category of your search, they directly leverage specialized search engines instead.
  
  I’ve been using a combo of
  
  https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get
  
  https://github.com/searx/searx and
  
  https://github.com/searxng/searxng
  
  myself lately, and they can all use DDG. Being able to get specialized searches sent to the appropriate engine automatically or being able to choose the engine(s) manually is really nice. But they don’t have their own web crawler.
  
  I’m starting to look into Yacy - which is supported by Searx - as a means to add a p2p web crawler and index under my control to the mix.
  
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  DuckDuckGo and Kagi are both hybrid search engines, they both have their own crawlers and combine their results with results from other sources.
  
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- Friends don't let friends use a web browser without uBlock origin
  
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  Ublock Origin does nothing to stop Google's sponsored results, or SEO optimised articles which are barely disguised ads :(
  
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  One of em installed it just because he saw me use it
  
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Boycott Google

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I'm over the era of ads dominating our lives. I know not everyone can do so, but I'm willing to pay a fair rate for a fair search and AI service. If we have to continue to live in this system then I think we should better enable competition in the tech space and stop some of these mafia business monopoly tactics.

Some companies are just disgustingly greedy. I pay for a new TV, for example, and that thing is trying to download ads and report my usage non-stop and I paid fairly to own the device. I'd support any political party that actually wants to protect consumers from the nonsense business pull.

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- If you'd be happy paying for ad-free search and AI experience, consider Kagi.
  
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  yet another Kagi shiller.
  
  they are still pulling results from Bing. they are partially powered by their own engine, but it has a minor database of sites when compared to Bing.
  
  And needing to have an account is just horrible for privacy.
  
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  Thanks for pointing that out, I've been trialing their service and so far I think it works well.
  
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  Been using Kagi for about a month now and can confidently say that it's the best search engine I've used in the last few years, including Google. Will for sure renew and continue to use it, highly recommend it!
  
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- I’m willing to pay a fair rate for a fair search
  
  Best I can do is you paying me and I still give you ads mixed in.
  
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Does Google even give results that aren't AI generated? I can only get results I want if I use my native language or add site:reddit.com in the end.

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- cringe
  
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  Are you an idiot?
  
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Even more reason to continue not using their search.

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  Kagi (paid)
  
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  i second duckduckgo
  
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  Searx, or if you need Google results but proxied use Startpage.
  
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  Depending on your appetite for self-hosting, you could try searx, searxng, 4get, and/or Yacy. I copied the below from another comment I made earlier today as it relates to those engines:
  
  I’ve been using a combo of
  
  https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get
  
  https://github.com/searx/searx and
  
  https://github.com/searxng/searxng
  
  myself lately, and they can all use DDG. Being able to get specialized searches sent to the appropriate engine automatically or being able to choose the engine(s) manually is really nice. But they don’t have their own web crawler.
  
  I’m starting to look into Yacy - which is supported by Searx - as a means to add a p2p web crawler and index under my control to the mix.
  
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  Me too. I’m hoping Brave Search can improve and bring more competition, but right now it’s about as bad as Google, and seems to be getting worse, not better.
  
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  ChatGPT with Bing (paid version)
  
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Our planet has been through a lot this year, but we have not forgotten what is truly important... the great taste of Charleston Chew!

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---- "Don't waste time!! In that situation you should immediately call an emergency, but you could also enjoy a cold Coke and Hamburger from Five-Guys, for just $7,99!" ---

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- where is that price relevant??? 10+ for meals at crappier places by me.
  
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Thank you duckduckgo and Firefox

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- Duckduckgo is bing.
  
  How you're able to get that turd to vomit out s useful search response is beyond me.
  
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Of course they are, Google is an ad company.

The early adopters of LLM AI pay OpenAI $20/month with pleasure to use an adfree ChatGPT, but they represent a microscopic fraction of total internet users.

Google might be able to create a search product that looks like ChatGPT and partially answers the question with a relavent ad spot in return for that user NOT paying $20/month.

If Google has this would you use it and cancel your OpenAI subscription?

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To the surprise of no one but the disgust of everyone.

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Well, now I have another reason never to use your service, thanks!

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Kind of a surprise that they took this long to include ads

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Good the fuck on it.

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This is the best summary I could come up with:

While Google has been dealing with fierce competition on all sides and is investing a lot into infusing AI into as many products as it can, its ads business, the company’s bread and butter, is still humming along.

Google’s AI-powered Search Generative Experience is still only available on an opt-in basis, so we don’t yet know how much it’ll impact the company’s ad business.

Later in the call, chief business officer Philipp Schindler added that “it’s extremely important to us that in this new experience, advertisers still have the opportunity to reach potential customers along their search journeys.”

“Across the portfolio of Other Bets companies, we have also been working to identify opportunities to create sharper focus and to operate more efficiently and effectively,” Porat said.

I’m interpreting that to hint at some future reductions of some kind in Alphabet’s Other Bets investments, but we’ll have to wait and see what the company actually decides to do.

There’s also a shadow over Google due to the Department of Justice’s huge antitrust trial against the company, which kicked off in September.

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