British Tankies are sadly highly transphobic
58This was in Belfast where CPI activists joined in a protest against TERFs and the far right. We were met with CPB members who were very happy to see a transpositive attitude and shared our political resolution with them.
The real stinker happened in Dublin, TERFs were observed demanding action from the CPB to correct their Irish subortinates. Colonialism has never left the minds of these Brits.
56I thought CPI referred to Caleb Maupin's sex cult at first and was very confused.
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It’s not their fault, I stg terf island must poison your brain with transphobia
42ironically it was American money that funded and pushed transphobia in the UK
Like how US minstrel shows are the source of a lot of British racial stereotypes
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Im one, im not; there are dozens like us! Dozens!
the big tent CPB parties are unfortuantly like this but thats because they are like tony blair, trots.
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Did You Know?:
The first decriminalization of homosexuality in an industrialized nation occurred when Lenin legislated it in the newly formed Soviet Union. Stalin eventually rolled it back unfortunately but for a bit more than a decade you could essentially be freely homosexual in the same time period that you could watch a new black and white movie.
EDIT: Thanks to a heads-up from one of our comrades, I realized that one of my statements was unintentionally reactionary. It has since been removed and they have my thanks.
50when Lenin legislated
I get why people talk about this in this way, but I think it's a mistake to ascribe intent to this when the decriminalization was a by product of doing away with the Tsarist legal code entirely. There are other instances of socialist states actively pursuing a policy in the direction of queer liberation (earlier and more comprehensive than even modern Western states), such as the GDR in the 80's and Cuba with their new constitution, but unfortunately the Soviet Union was not one of them.
57While this is true, as far as I know, it still led to less persecution because there wasn't a legal framework for such thing, so I guess worst case scenario it was fortunate happenstance.
31Yeah good read on this but it should be said the period of time where being gay was decriminalized in the USSR did last about a decade, and in that time period LGBT+ people where actually left alone for the most part. I always read this time period of one of knowing tolerance by the upper soviet leadership, as they likely did not act on it because they actually did want lgbt issues to be decriminalized. I am making this assumption due to the slow pace they moved on this topic and that they where an educated class who could read; it was them having to contend with Stalin being a orthdox christian (he was literally born in a manger to a priests family) and 99% of Russia also being this, they had to make populist concessions in the 30s in order to recover from famines.
I traced Russias lgbt+ phobic outlook to the implementation of the Tsar; prior to this in pre-monarchy Russia it was noted by many historians and accounts that the Russian people where openly gay, lesbian and poly; it was the monarchy that implemented orthodox theocratic teachings in order to secure better trade deals with the christian west, and then beaten into them over 500 years.
25That doesn't match with my readings of the history. Here is a larger article about it. I've also heard mention of a soviet delegation to the famous LGBT clinic in Germany. That wouldn't indicate that it was an oversight either.
Regardless, even under Stalin, I don't think the Soviet Union was demonstrably worse than the west in queer rights . The Soviets didn't reimprison prisoners with pink triangles liberated from concentration camps for example.
22I keep seeing the argument that the USSR decriminalizing homosexuality as being a by-product of getting rid of the Tsarist legal system, and while I could very well be wrong, and that may have played a part, I don't buy it at face value. The USSR didn't get rid of every single Tsarist vestige for the sake of it, such as the reprisal of the Gulag system. I think decriminalizing homosexuality was a concerted effort.
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"But dead Nazis have a cost"
I cannot wrap my head around this, comrade. Stalin being a strong military leader doesn't necessitate his occasionally reactionary view on sexuality and gender. Of course we should all uphold Stalin's legacy, but that doesn't mean making excuses for him when he's wrong.
43This is fair, comrade, and an opportunity for me to purge my own internal reactionary. I think I was perhaps hasty in my writing trying to recognize the achievements of Lenin that I glossed over the failings of Stalin and the larger recognition that sometimes in times of crisis we're more forgiving of flaws that we would hold to greater account in times of peace.
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in the same time period that you could watch a new black and white movie.
that's every decade since the invention of black and white movies
25Admittedly true, but new ones have been pretty rare for a while. Maybe I should have said something along the lines of color movies not being available.
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I've seen said (but have not investigated whatsoever so please take this with a grain of salt) that although it was criminalized it was rarely enforced because there was a duty to demonstrate the social harm of a specific action and that was rarely "met" in court or something to that effect. Is there any truth in this or is it just cope?
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when fascists say "so and so revolutionary movement will have you degenerates imprisoned and killed" they're not doing so out of concern. it's a mutually-suicidal curse directed outwards by those who will never be happy, and don't want anybody else to realize their true potential either.
50Libs say this sort of stuff as well, because they can't accept that there are people to the left of them. It actually happened on this very website when a lib lemmy instance we were federated with accused us of being fake queers, because many of us are both trans and tankies.
46Upvote for not only a poignant statement comrade, but also because your username appears to be a reference to a great book by Kristen Ghodsee, yes?
5Yes, you are correct. I was looking for a catchy and memorable username, and then decided to reference that book.
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Oh hey, I think that's the communist party of Ireland
43Surprised the libs haven't started spreading lies about throwing trans people into conversion camps yet.
Hell, there are trans celebrities such as 金星 or popular uploaders on sites like Bilibili.
34Libs: ebil commies are forcibly converting trans people in camps
Chuds: ebil commies are forcibly converting people to trans in camps
Yet again, schrodinger commies and Parenti quote
29The quote
In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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trans celebrities such as 金星
Wait, the planet Venus is trans?
9Based Venus is a comrade in the struggle for trans rights 🦄
5At various points on her interaction with humanity she used to be considered a man, a friend of the sun. Now she is understood to be a woman at least in western cultures. In that manner she is trans. However, she is not assigned any gender at birth because when she was born no humans could gender her. Some cultures still see her as a man, so perhaps she is in fact gender fluid, which is trans.
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Already have. There was a trans Chinese dissident who claimed bad policies led to the s^icide of 40 of her friends... Which is laughable.
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Tankie either refers to anyone to the left of Trump, or very specifically the LaRouche movement, depending on what's most convenient.
31Make tankie mean pro-Soviet intervention against reactionary Hungarian colour revolution again.
35Liberal reading your comment:
Make … again
MAGA communism tankie!
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No it doesn’t, I’ve only heard radlibs use it and it was against any supporters of AES. Originally it was used for people in Britain who supported Khrushchev’s intervention in Hungary, but since has been expanded on the internet.
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Tbh, and this is an unpopular opinion throughout much of the federation, this is part of what I like about Lemmy as a website and community. Any space that genuinely meaningfully cares about free speech is going to have extremists. Lemmy is no exception. This website/community has people on the far left with whom I firmly disagree. Some of these people I consider dangerously out of touch with reality. But generally speaking they don't want to just fucking kill me. There is literally nothing I can do to make a right wing extremist not want to kill me. It's common and widespread on most social media. Left wing extremists very rarely just want to purge me for homogeny. Any political system or government or country can collapse into fascism and start purging minorities in pursuit of homogeny, but my experience is that homogeny is a common goal and desire across the right wing spectrum, but only a fringe aspect of the left. A "tankie" may hate me for what I believe and do, but that's better than a "nazi" who hates me just for being. And that is a compromise I'm willing to make to maintain and participate in a low censorship environment.
2We hear about extremists, but I think most leftists want everyone to get along and wouldn't want to kill people unless they really had to.
The repercussions of killing its own population is counterproductive if the people can still be doing work for your program.
If one has the choice of imprisoning to rehabilitate a fascist or killing a fascist when you achieve hegemony, imprisonment is definitely preferable.
12Oh I agree with all of that. My convoluted point was that even the rare legitimate dangerous fringe leftist is usually less dangerous than many of the pervasive directions of the right.
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Why do people always talk about some other group and then how left they are on lemmygrad? It’s more effective if you show your ideas than to shit on everyone who isn’t you. Just saying.
-12Hang on a minute, there's a limit to it, don't you know? Down with left coms and ultra lefts!
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CCP sure doesnt think trans people exist.
-36Based on?
30*CPC
28That’s rich coming from a country supporting the bombing thousands of trans people
By the way, you’ve been banned on Lemmygrad, and I can’t say I’m surprised based on some of your comment history… try to engage in good faith
25um source?
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