Microsoft: "My PC"

On arch it is sudo pacman -Syu or yay

On RHEL it's simply sudo dnf update -y

A lot of modern windows laptop don't let you shut them down.

They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.

Thankfully it can be disabled via AD policy.

Why would you? Sleep uses so little power and the resume is instant.

If it wasn’t for S0 standby being such a piece of shit I’d never shutdown my computer unless it was for an update or hardware maintenance.

As someone who knows how to manage the power and update settings in Windows to prevent this from happening, I am learning that Linux users may not understand how to actually configure Windows to their liking. Which is wild to me.

The only reason why my uptime is only a month is because I took my PC with me on a work trip which involved packing it.

No point. Sleep works great and live updates are flawless.

Sign in states for tokens expire when you power cycle. If you're in IT or moving between classes, not only would you have to wait for power down and power on each stop you make,you'd also need to sign into every tool you use that requires credentials. I work as a field tech for an MSP. If I had to shut down at the end of each stop and boot back up then I'd have to spend 20-30 minutes signing back into my RMM, ticket system, azure portal, knowledge base etc on top of the site specific stuff I'm already going to have to sign into for that stop. Sleep great. Just disable S0 sleep.

When I got my first (and only) PC, it was outright SUGGESTED to never power it down. By HP. So yeah I just sleep my computer, and yes I have to deal with the bullshit in the meme lol

Always wondered why the fuck my PC is awake before I even touch it.

me too. i see no reason not to shut it down, unless boot time takes way too long (you dont have an ssd), you use windows (always takes too long), or you have a bunch of apps open and don't want to lose the workflow.

though i just have to shutdown anyway because my pc is right under a couple of roof leaks and it might rain while i'm sleeping or not at home

To be fair I don't always use it like that but suspend is convenient if I have a continuous work that is scattered all around.

Suspend / hibernate / resume is really a test of the quality of all your device drivers. That's always been a weakness in Linux, not because of Linux itself but because Windows is so dominant.

Yea, I like to suspend my machine, but rather than hit suspend and walk away I have to wait to find out what has prevented suspend from suspending. That and it trying to goto sleep when I don't want it to. Drives me nuts

My linux PC used to be unable to hibernate/sleep at all, and my current laptop occasionally gets some kind of backlight burn-in from sleeping when the lid's closed

Imagine your oven or clothes iron turning itself on while you're not home. Why TF people just accept their computers doing this is beyond me. Either it's a boiling frog situation, or people simply don't remember the times us users had complete control over our devices and think things were always this way.

As an 80s/90s kid, I can tell you they most definitely were not.

The software is arrogant and needs to know its place. It serves the user. It should obey.

ACPI enabled BIOSes and UEFI support wake timers.

Windows uses this feature to wake the PC all spooky like so you don't get to click the update button yourself.

While Windows doesn't have an Arch wiki, the instructions for turning the automatic wake feature off are a web search away. You'll need another web search to disable automatic updates though.

Windows wakes up from hibernate? How tf is that happening? Also how tf it knows when to update when its hibernated/sleeping?

i didnt know arch did that. never happened to me, though i guess that's because i update it like once every month or every two months, sometimes every day (depends on how long i can forget about updates existing)

You can update arch from any point of time to the current, it just takes a bit of time. Just use arch archove and update by month or two.

That's because the shutdown hardly exists anymore. When you choose shutdown now it just hibernates. Reboot is the only way to get the full refresh of a shutdown unless you're using CMD.

Forget all the memes and jokes about Apple, their laptops suspend very well

The advantage of Apple is that the number of possible hardware combinations is pretty small. With Windows / Linux it's nearly infinite.

With a small number of possible hardware configurations, it's much easier to get sleep/suspend to work well because you can test every possible hardware combination and make sure it works.

But yeah, their system is basically flawless.

OpenSUSE hibernate works. Just have to add extention to show the hibernate button (in GNOME)

this meme is really true for windows, sometimes my pc wakes up the second I put it to sleep. seems to be some random app I have open allowing it to wake up again. infuriating. With intel macs, they wasted a lot of battery asleep, but my silicon mac can sleep for weeks without losing hardly any battery. linux I still can't get sound to work properly.

I heard mac won't shutdown at all but only does sleep and someone mentioned any keypress will wake it from sleep so that you can't clean keyboard..

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Are you distro hopping? That's when my grub would fail on me on a monthly basis.

Or just installed few months of missing updates, looking at you my broken Manjaro dual-boot

A lot of systems use systemd boot. Also, why would you be modifying Grub?

Sus timing, though it's certainly just branding.

The whole "My-" prefix for "My Documents" and "My Computer" and all that is something that was around since the 90s, and really served to emphasise the "Personal" in "Personal Computer" at a time when PCs were coming into the home for the first time.

Nowadays that branding is really unnecessary and feels pretty antiquated too, especially in an era where most stuff for most people is online, and the emphasis is more on connected seamless stuff rather than a cute little folder to put your things in.

Our computer.

You should factor in that nowadays it is fairly normal for a single person to have multiple computers, so "My PC" is not specific enough anymore.

Not every Nvidia but always Nvidia.

Apparently you can see which devices can wake your PC with cat /proc/acpi/wakeup. S3 should be sleep and S4 hibernation. Though I have no idea which device is which.

My first guess world be unplug your mouse and keyboard and see if it still happens. Your mouse or keyboard could be sending phantom inputs sometimes. If it's a laptop maybe not though or you'd have to test it another way at least. But it's the first thing I'd do.

Put chrome on it, that should fix it

Suspend on Linux just works as well. The PC will sleep until the user wakes it up.

I have a gaming machine with no crazy RGBs, but the video card has a loud fan when at maximum. Most of the time it isn't at maximum. When using the desktop it's nice and quiet. When gaming it depends on the game, but mostly it's not too loud. But. BUT! When it first turns on, the fans go to max for a second or two. I was woken up more than once by Windows deciding it needed to turn my PC on to install an update, and the fans screaming for a second as it booted.

I eventually found a setting that disabled that behaviour, but Microsoft made it so incredibly hard. Now that that machine is almost 100% Linux I never have to worry about that.

damn, that sucks

also because that's the only thing about that ex i know, the only conclusion i can make is that you stopped dating because of random middle of the night RGB raves

Just flip the switch on the back of the power supply after shutting down the computer or turn off the UPS.

What it really does is sleep walk during S0 sleep (aka Modern Standby) to check for updates, slowly draining your battery

More importantly, telling Windows to shut down doesn't really shut it down, it puts it to sleep.

Yes. Same with my TV and everything.

isn't the joke in the bottom that the pc and you are both sleeping tho

When you say hibernation, do you mean essentially powered off?

My understanding is that hibernation has always meant that the system is 100% off, but that when it next boots it can read from disk into RAM and then let you resume where you were before you shut down. I ask because "waking" a system in hibernate means turning it on, and it goes through the normal boot process. If it's still on in some way, that doesn't sound like hibernation to me. It sounds like "sleep" or "suspend" (ugh, but there are now annoying s

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Firstly, welcome :)

Secondly, hibernation on Linux requires swap partition 2x size of the RAM. If you didn't set it big enough or did not set at all, hibernation wouldn't work. However if you set it correctly, there should be another reason to consider.

If you are not sure, you can use this command on terminal to compare your RAM and swap sizes. free -m

I love how they wake up in my backpack so they can overheat AND drain the battery at the same time.

That's efficiency.

that is crazy what

I just unplug my computer when I'm done with it. That way it doesn't update.

It makes a cool popping sound as my speakers and screen flash off.

You could also hibernate and flip the power switch afterwards, if you're on a desktop.

It didn't hang up for me on Linux; though I had to disable sleep anyways since after waking up it seemed like every frame had an error and was logging said error into a growing 500 GB syslog

unless you're gonna use it later, like in case you have a bunch of programs open that you'd need to reopen and open a bunch of project files

edit: for some reason my train of thought went everywhere other than the rails at the start

My only windows is force upon me as my work laptop. I sadly actually work for Microsoft. I literally only use it to SSH to my virtual machine running redhat.

Microsoft really enjoys forcing updates at the worst time when their employees are trying to work. Sometimes it literally just makes me stop working for that day. Their loss.

Not even that. Go into Task Scheduler and disable the "Update Orchestrator" task. Problem solved.

"My" in My PC means "Microsoft's". All the Windows PCs in this world are all their's.

Mine just doesn't suspend/hibernate at all. Probably some dependency not installed, but I'm not assed to find out which one

Modern PCs don't truly hibernate, they sleep. If the tower loses power its considered a hard reset.

If anything, Windows machines often have 'fast boot' enabled which saves certain things to state, so today's manual shutdown (without power loss) is closer to old school hibernation than today's 'sleep' is.

You can shutdownyour PC each night, but depending on what you're working on it can disrupt workflow, so I understand why many people prefer to sleep instead.

Do you have hibernate working in an atomic distro? I'm still working on that.