Rand Paul Fears Trump Tariffs Could Mean 1930s-Style Republican Wipeout: ‘We Lost the House and Senate for 60 Years’

Oh no, what if democrats gain power and give us all healthcare and actually take care of the sick and poor. Wouldn’t that be terrible?

He doesn't have a party, he follows money and his popularity with his crazy fuckin base. The Republican party bought him just like they bought Reagan and I'm still not sure how anyone could be fooled by the exact same playbook.

I read your first paragraph as a prediction of the future, until l realized that you were talking about the Great Depression and WWII.

"Those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it" is supposed to be cautionary, but MAGA sees it as a game plan.

The largest war in human history, so far...

I'm like, wait, what happened in the 1930s that meant the wipeout of the republicans and what happened in the next 60 years?

Oh yes, an overinflated market crashed during the republican presidency, the burst ignited by the proposal of a tariff increase law, made to shield American industries and that was actually signed into law and significantly worsened the great depression. This pretty much caused the rise of Nazism in Germany and WW2

What happened then in the next 60 years? Oh yeah, the US won the war and became the biggest world superpower, the economy boomed and you had pretty much the most prosperous time in America's history.

Maaaaybe a republican wipeout isn't that bad now, is it?

There were massive voter suppression campaigns in both those election cycles. And it doesn't help that the neo Liberals highjacked the democratic party, marginalizing labor. People are not motivated to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Your treating this as if the same people are voting different ways. It's usually much more along the lines of voters staying home one election and voting in another.

Edit - autocorrect got naughty!

Keep in mind that the voting system itself is rigged. States with lower populations tend to have more representation per capita due to the Electoral College. This biases everything towards red states.

And that doesn't even get at the decades of gerrymandering...

And they have the gall to say they're voting that way "for the economy"

Lack of elections could….

I'm thinking the breadlines will probably manage.

Certainly not for the folks who just think they are Republicans like it's a racial identity or something. That's some shit I can't understand.

or better yet, no parties at all and force some of our morons to actually learn their candidates beyond just party lines.

We were within 2% of stopping them. If you bastards had got on board, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Part of me wonder if this is worth saving. We need to start over.

See, they thought they could control him, like they did Reagan, and Bush Jr. Bush Sr. went along willingly.

But Trump is an overgrown 5 year old, and needs to feel he's in charge. Like any typical narcissist.

Or, better idea, no parties like the founders intended

But bruh if u vote for third party, it's a win for Donald Trump bruh.

*losing power over others not just theor jobs

not handing off the title of World Superpower to China

They put in the hours. Maybe they've fucking earned it. But if it makes you feel any better, most of the BRICS are rocketing upwards and positioned to match or eclipse the US by the end of the century. That's just what happens when you implement modern industrial policies under a more egalitarian social system. Spreading the wealth engages more of the population in high value productive activities that benefit the national economy in the long run.

After you've built a broadly productive economic engine, the only thing holding you back is the size of your productive population. At that point, policies like universal health care and efficient mass transit really start paying dividends.

The Democrats get penalized for not fixing it fast enough or good enough.

That's the same everywhere, not just the US.

The right destroys what the left/center build so the left/center rebuild it and then the right destroys it again.

This is so true it hurts to read it.

Yeah, I find it kinda funny that the "great again" era that is constantly referenced is actually this era of loosing the House and the Senate that is specifically being refrenced now. Mate, you can't have it both ways; do you want the house and the Senate and the House or do you want it to be "great again?"

Or if the current R leadership becomes irrelevant, the Dems win for many terms in a row, and the new generation of Rs decide to appeal to the left by doing another party swap

So we'll have like five progressives and the rest will be liberal corporate heels. We still won't get anything useful. But at least we wouldn't have republicans, so it's better than nothing.

Corporate Dems need to go away too.

I've wanted this for ages. And it's represented so well in Republicans having only one platform: "Oppose Democrats. If it makes a Democrat angry, do it."

Cleanse - and I mean CLEANSE - the opposition party. No one here can claim the Democrats never have good ideas. And yet, we can definitely do better than them. A better party means having better ideas - not just "Stop them libruls". Bernie just toured the States with a message of exactly what that would look like.

Not happening. There won't be another legit election.

I hope he is right. We could do a lot of good if we kept them out of office.

Look if you don't want to vote for bears you should have chosen to be born someplace smarter

Best news this year.

Maybe when the MAGA dorks try to convince us this is short term for long term gain; what they don't realize is ousting the republican stranglehold on the country is the long term gain.

And pray tell why do you not include the Demonrats in your statement? Do you not agree that the Democrats are 100 percent complicit?

Look, I'm pissed too, I want them tf out of power and I want them to face consequences for what they've done. But celebrating the death of every Republican is more than a little extreme. The top dogs / those responsible? Sure. But let's not go calling for the deaths of our countrymen - who are, tbh, blind fools who've been brainwashed by propaganda. That doesn't make them worthy of death. I'd recommend avoiding turning the heat straight to 100 unless you want to watch our country walk an even darker path in coming years. If you've convinced yourself that's the outcome you actually want - of civil war and all the other fucked up shit that tends to come with war - then you're your own type of blind fool.

And the U.S. got all the money to build up their industrial base by the fact that they were they only country able to give out loans to the European nations fighting in the First World War since every european country spent everything they had and then some fighting each other.

World War One represented the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. It was bigger than the economic exploitation by the British Empire of Africa, India and Asia combined. In four years, the U.S. basically held all the cards and (I know this is controversial) only ended up getting involved militarily when it seemed possible that the allies would lose and therefore be unable to pay off their loans.

And you know what...all credit to the Americans; they took that new found wealth and built up the strongest, most powerful industrial base the world had ever seen; an industrial base that, without which, the second world war would have been nearly impossible to win (Russian blood, British Strategy, American Industry...isn't that the saying?)

It's what they proceeded to do with that industrial base afterwards that lead us to where we are now.

Elections are over. The US is cooked.

The current regime will enact Russia-style “elections”.

Without violent revolution, the US is over.

This depends on what safeguards (if any) are put in place after he's kicked out, and if we're still stuck with two opposing 'teams' that are both purely beholden to the oligarchs.

Germany stayed fascist-resistant for a long, long time. But they were compelled to.

If he actually moves against Canada and/or Mexico and others step in, that could happen again.

This also assumes the outcome of such a move is not in his favor. (which i'd like to think is likely

We may have a perfect storm, so to speak. Economic stupidity will lose them dominance. However, hopefully, by the time they would gain again we'll have a die off of boomers and other retired that come out to vote more now. We'll have a refresh of retired voters. Gen X is coming up. From my small sample of us, we're more Democrat leaning. Hopefully a wider sample size is the same.

Reality doesn't matter. People's perception of reality does.

But when a Democratic candidate goes out and explains what the New Deal and fair Deal really are–when he stands up like a man and puts the issues before the people–then Democrats can win, even in places where they have never won before. It has been proven time and again.

I wish that were true. I might have been in the past, but we have a full third of our population that will not vote for anyone but Trump and a full third that were told over and over about Project 2025 and the Drak Enlightment but stayed home for whatever reason. That left the rest of us yelling till our voices were hoarse.

Sorry, best we can do is folks who hold up little signs that say "lies" during speeches.

And you know those good times that conservatives say they want to go back to? Those times when a blue collar worker could earn enough to buy a house, pay the mortgage, support a stay-at-home-wife and family, and then send those kids to college? That's the society that those decades of democrat control led to. That's what another 60 years of democrat dominated congress could lead to again. In fact, a huge blow out election like that may be the only thing that can save, not only this nation, but maybe even the whole world, if it's not too late already.

It's such a fucking nightmare...

I console myself by acknowledging that the only way we're going to get a true Socialist-Democrat in office is following this batshit insanity. All we really need is for the democratic party to stop roadblocking Bernie Sanders. Hopefully this time they don't 😭

The path to get there would be a pretty big downside. Some of us would say worth it, but that’s a privileged position and likely one we’d regret. Big time rock and a hard place energy.

It will happen with the current administration. Red states are the most reliant on government "handouts". Conservative voters are predominantly the least educated, least informed, and most economcially vulnerable people. They will be the most affected by trumps tariffs. They will be the most affected by his billionaire tax breaks. They will be the most affected by his cuts to social programs. I hate to see my fellow Americans fall on hard times, but despite all the history, expert opinions, and direct evidence that Trump is going to fuck them over, they keep voting for him. It's going to be hard, but I'm not giving my conservative neighbors and family any direct support for the next 4 years. Thoughts and "prayers" are all that they will get from me. Let them suckle from the shriveled teat of their spray-tanned steer this time.

He did vote against the Canadian tariffs actually. It'll pass anyway though.

for the 2 decades, mitch mcconnel had the senate gop under his thumb

Shit, you're right. We can't have that. Can't wait to watch read about Josh Hawley breaking Booker's new record with a speech about how freedom of religion is discriminatory against christians and only christians.

I will go to my grave before I support a Republican for anything. I wouldn't vote for a Republican for street sweeper.

Guess who is using data illegally gathered from social security to prevent legal voters from voting? If you guessed the king in orange you'd be right.

They have been purging voter rolls all over the country for a long time now. But their methods have vastly improved recently. In the swing states last year they purged 3.5 million voters. In the midterms next year they want to challenge the eligibility of everyone.

Only voters with a passport or original birth certificate would be allowed to vote.

"In power"? In a perfect world he'd never again be on this side of a prison cell!!

Nah.

The civil war resulted in the horribly and completely evil south being knocked out of national political dominance for decades.

That led to the rise of the US as a global super power, including the transcontinental railroad and the progressive movement of Teddy Roosevelt.

Their return to political prominence is accompanied by the fall of America as the greatest hyperpower in human history.

Trump has a concept of a cock

It's nothing but talk for these AHs and trying to save face. Besides it's not like if DJT is removed that we'd fair any better. We'd have couch fucker to contend with and he's just as bad.

If the 1920s really are repeating then, if we survive the Trump administration, we've got a modern version of the New Deal on the way.