2y ago

Gettin real goddamn tired of dogs

I like dogs like I like toddlers. It's fun to hang out with other people's for a while, but ultimately they're annoying, loud, and make a mess. I feel like in the past 10 years or so, dog owners have become increasingly convinced that everyone thinks their slobbering, untrained mutt is god's gift to everyone, and expects everyone to love it unconditionally. Dogs in restaurants. Dogs in stores when you go shopping. "Oh it's so funny that your dog is jumping on me and getting it's dirty paws all over me while it tries to sniff my crotch." "Oh oops! Your dog ate my food off the counter, fucking again. Guess that's my fault because in this house nothing is safe from the coddled fucking dog." "Hey man can you watch the dog? It's really easy, not like it pisses all over the floor and knocks the trash over or anything. We have to leave the house for 2 hours and it has anxiety/depression/borderline personality disorder and he's a wittle special boy who needs constant attention."

I'm just tired of it. Nobody gives a goddamn about your stupid dog. Stop bringing your animal to restaurants, it's disgusting and inconsiderate. It's not your child, it's a dog. Dog people have made me hate dogs.

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I'm a dog owner and dog people have made me hate people 😂

I love dogs too but I agree, something went very very VERY wrong in the last few years. I can't remember exactly when this illuminati memo went into effect but there was a month where every single place suddenly had a "service dogs welcome" sign on the door, which was different from the "service dogs permitted" signage that was always there. The signs came with some kind of policy change that basically said service dogs are a social construct, so even a screaming husky that needs to be dragged behind it's owner is a service dog if the owner says it is.
And on the subject of huskies, the thing that pisses me off the absolute most about modern dog owners is how they have this obsession with pure bred dogs to the point where they'll pay thousands for their favourite breed and turn it into their personality. But they don't give a shit about any aspect of the dog besides it's appearance, like they don't even google search the history of why the breed was created, or what it's nature is intended to be. So they get a German Shepherd, which is a guard dog, and they don't understand why it won't stop barking at guests. Or they get a husky, a dog bred to love running dozens of kilometres per day, and they can't get it to stop running out the door. "Walks" aren't enough for a dog like that, it will always be hyper no matter how much you scream at it. AND THEY'RE MEANT FOR FUCKING ANTARCTICA HOW DO YOU THINK IT FEELS LIVING IN AN APARTMENT IN BURBANK CALIFORNIA? It's straight up cruelty to animals.
Which is without even considering the health issues that these dogs have to suffer through due to being severely inbred. It makes no sense to me that people do this. I don't even buy a pair of shoes without researching what the differences are between types of shoes and what situations different shoes are designed for. These people spend $5k on a living thing without a millisecond of thought put into it.

I agree, mostly.
My parents owned a kennel and bred and boarded and trained dogs, so we had at least a dozen or so full-time residents and generally another dozen or so being boarded and/or trained. I literally grew up surrounded by dogs and I've always loved them.
BUT, dog owners, at this point, are fucking awful, and that's led to a whole lot of awful dogs, exactly as you so colorfully and accurately say.

I’m a dog owner but I agree. The worst are the people who bring them in the grocery store. Like if you’re out walking the dog and go in a convenience store for a drink that’s one thing but there’s fresh vegetables and stuff in the grocery store instead of prepackaged food so pets definitely don’t belong there. These same people don’t clean up their poop even at the dog park so before I can play with my own dog I have to go hunting and clean up so I don’t get crap on my shoes.
Us responsible dog owners are tired of this crap too.
- This just happened to us today! We took the dog to some trails nearby. On the way home wife wants me to go by Target for a few things. We get there and she asks if we should take him in with us. I’m like “Hell no. I already think Home Depot is a no go even though it’s a common site there, but I draw the line at a place like Target.” And don’t even get me started on the rudeness of owners who don’t carry waste disposal bags any time they have their dog.
  
  Home Depot actually allows pets in their stores and encourages it by having dog treats at registers. Target does not unless it's a certified service animal.

It sounds a lot more like you are actually tired of inconsiderate dog owners.
I have a dog. I think he's great. I also realize that not everyone feels the same and I don't bring him to places that are not acceptable for him to be. I also watch him when I am out walking him and do my best to make sure that he doesn't approach people who may not want that kind of attention.
- Absolute chad
- Yeah I don’t see any actual “dog people” acting the way OP describes. Like in the same way that you wouldn’t consider somebody who thinks they like cars a lot but buys a 4 cylinder Mustang and changes the oil every 30,000 miles a “car guy”.
  I know a lot of “dog people” and they look at the people OP is describing as fuckin morons who shouldn’t own dogs. With those people if it wasn’t dogs it would just be something else.
  
  There's no accreditation system for being obsessed with dogs or cars. Different people put in different amounts of thought and effort into their interests. But from my perspective, someone walking 3 dogs and just saying "oh don't worry they are friendly" as they let them do whatever they want with anyone in their path is just as much a dog person as someone who keeps theirs well-trained enough that the leash is mostly for show.
  Just like I'd consider someone who constantly talks about their car a car person even if they take it in for service because the washer fluid reservoir is empty.
  It's not about competence, it's about how strong the association is been that person and the thing.
  Unless you're talking about the other kind of "dog people" who are half dog, half person, like Mr Peanutbutter or dog centaurs.
- Yea, the problem I see with trying to argue this with people who don't like dogs for the OPs reasons is that considerate owners don't let their dogs run so rampant that you notice their good behavior.
  That's why it always seems to be "Yea you might be that way but every other dog owner I've met wasn't that way" when I myself have only interacted with a small fraction who are like that, because I still notice the good owners because I'm a dog lover.

As a dog owner.. I couldn't agree more.
I took a package in for my neighbour because they were out.. Took it round in the evening and their little dog ran out and immediately jumped at my hand and bit me.. "oh sorry he's just defending his home"
Won't be accepting anymore packages for them

Untrained dogs while you're out on a run is another level of hell. & there are so many!

I have very low expectations for dogs. I expect them to act like dogs. My expectations of people are higher.
I think you are okay with dogs, it's shitty people you have a problem with.

It got a lot worse since covid. A lot of people who shouldn't have dogs got dogs during the lockdowns.
Before covid most people in the forest I go to were regulars. By looking around the parking lot I knew who was there. There was only one person with 2 untrained & unleashed dogs who would come there daily. He always did the same tour, so if I saw his car I'd go the same tour to avoid him.
Now it's completely different. I never see those regulars again, except for that one person who still goes the same tour. Everytime I go there I come across different people. The one thing they have in common is that they leave their dogs unleashed and their dogs don't listen.
I really miss the calm walks I could have in that forest. If I went for a walk during noon or in bad weather, I would usually be the only person around. Now I can't remember the last time I didn't come across an untrained dog during my walk.

As a dog person, I totally get this. I like dogs, I'd generally rather spend time with a dog than a person. But I'm under no impression it's my child. I don't get this "furbaby" bullshit, you're an adult human, act like one. The dog will survive 10 minutes without you in constant contact, if it can't, then it's a neurotic fucking mess and you should maybe find another breed.
- furbaby
  honestly I think this is a coping mechanism because our society makes it so hard to have a family - housing, decent wages, health insurance etc. all make families a lot easier, and we won't let people have those things without it costing 20x what past generations paid.
  
  But don't call your dog your child. I have a child. I can tell you it's not the same. Not even close.

I'm scared of dogs because I've been attacked by one before. I have a trauma reaction to them essentially. I wish more people understood this and were at least considerate of the idea that people have valid reasons for not wanting dogs in their space. I don't care that your dog is awesome or whatever the fuck justification you want to use for being inconsiderate of others, my nervous system is terrified of it. I especially dislike people who walk their dogs off leash in busy areas.

Gotta hand it to you man, very few posts have belonged in this community more than this one

I completely agree, the problem is the people who refuse to train them, as though enforcing behavioral expectations is a bad thing.
My friend let's her dogs run absolutely wild, they have absolutely no respect for people, they sniff their crotches, rub up against them, beg while eating.
The daughter will have one of the dogs flipped in her lap and will literally be popping a zit on its back while you're at the dinner table trying to eat.
One of her other dogs will be biting you in the dick because it's trying to get you to feed it.
And when you shoo the dog away because it's literally sexually assaulting you while you're trying to eat, you're the asshole.
- will literally be popping a zit on its back while you're at the dinner table trying to eat.
  Excuse me, wtf?
  
  To these people, I'm the asshole for being offended and revolted.

I love dogs, I have one, but I agree. What bothers me the most is that here people leave their dogs in their front yard, so they bark whenever someone or something happens. And it seems that barks only bother me, because everybody leave their dogs barking day and night. I hate dog owners.

I love dogs but when I was NYC I couldn't wrap my head around why there were so many dogs in Manhattan. My dogs need space and room to run around which isn't something Chelsea Village et al. are known for.
- Oh don't get me started, I was on the elevator with a guy in NYC who had two beautiful huskies. Yeah, your little one bedroom is perfect for them dude.
- Yeah, I think it's cruel to keep a dog in a small space like a city apartment. My dogs have a dog door and can go outside in our big yard and run around to their heart's content. I don't want to live in a house without a dog door at this point, let alone an apartment. It's amazing how happy it makes them. When we got my newest dog (we usually have 2 at a time), he saw the dog door and was so happy. He just ran straight through it and out into the yard. These dogs in studio apartments in New York, especially the big ones, must be so sad.
- Every sidewalk in Manhattan is a bathroom for dogs. The street smell like pee from the humans, and mostly from the dogs. Cuz there's no space for them anywhere else. Dogs are not designed for the city
  
  That can probably be remedied by adding more green space in the cities. Luckily, this is something that should already be done for a plethora of reasons. There's usually a decent amount of fat that can be cut in parking spaces and road width to accomplish it, which would also make the cities more pleasant by discouraging car use.

Add "people who don't f-ing care to clean up after their dogs" to that list.

Where do you live that people bring dogs into restaurants?
- I'm a dog owner and a dog lover, but OP is right that many people who own dogs have gotten bad. The sense of entitlement people have is out of control, and it extends to their behavior with their dogs. I, too, have seen people take (usually little) dogs into restaurants. Owners sometimes don't notice, but even when they do, I think they just wait to see if anyone complains. I've also seen all manner of dogs in grocery stores. People with legitimate service dogs usually have vests on them, not just to make it clear to business owners, but because they usually don't want people petting and distracting the service dogs when they're on duty. That pug on the bedazzled pink leash wandering through the produce aisle probably isn't a service dog.
  
  That doesn't happen where I live. Only service dogs are allowed in most businesses, and I see one of those maybe 3 or 4 times a year. The only place I see dogs brought inside are the pet stores that allow/encourage it.
  
  People with legitimate service dogs usually have vests on them, not just to make it clear to business owners, but because they usually don't want people petting and distracting the service dogs when they're on duty.
  One of the best sets of "work clothing" I've ever seen on a dog was on a large, leashed greymuzzle sleeping peacefully next to their owner in a very busy subway car.
  Wore a harness with a text along the lines of "I'm a police dog and tired after a long day. Please do me a solid and don't disturb me. Thanks."
- I've seen it several times on the east coast of the US. So I'd be kinda surprised if it doesn't happen elsewhere. Same with stores, I assume it's usually a case of it being against policy, but the host making minimum wage not wanting to deal with the "THIS IS MY SUPPORT ANIMAL" ridiculousness. I don't see it often, I just think it's a good example of this narcissistic attitude.
  
  I live on the east coast and have maybe seen it once in a blue moon. But it's not a regular occurrence. Never seen one INSIDE a restaurant, but definitely on the patio but most restaurants allows dogs on the patio seating. I've maybe very rarely seen a small dog riding in a shopping cart at a grocery store, any other dog was a service animal.
- No kidding, that's hardcore against public health rules in most of the USA.

Man, I love dogs, I've had dogs my whole life. BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE: dogs in supermarkets, dogs in restaurants - fuck that, if it's not a genuine service animal fuck off with that bullshit. Dogs do not belong where food is stored or prepped.
- Completely agree. I love dogs but we went to a tap room and somebody brought a greyhound. It was so well behaved but the music was quite loud and it was visually disturbed by it.

I'd agree that it's inconsiderate to bring an untrained dog into situations where they may cause problems, and I'd even extend this to say that it's inconsiderate to not train your dog properly. My experience is that a well-trained dog is happier - as the owner, you should be squarely in charge, and you need to help your dog understand which behaviors are acceptable and which are not.
A well-trained dog, on the other hand, should be possible to put most if not all social situations. They do not treat the wrong places as bathrooms, they do not make sounds, they do not eat things they have not been given permission to eat, and they do not greet anyone that hasn't invited them to greet.
I believe that dogs trained to this level should be allowed in restaurants, offices and shops.
- Mostly agree with the first 2 paragraphs.
  I don't think dogs should be allowed in restaurants though, regardless of training. The problem is people will say their dog is trained to an expert level, but there's nothing to actually prove that.
  A flat ban on dogs in restaurants is the right move in my opinion.
  You can maybe make an argument for offices, but honestly, I don't love dogs, and don't usually enjoy the presence of one. I'd be fine leaving them out of this environment, but I also understand this is a place people spend 8+ hours a day at, and it's not feasible/ethical to leave them at home all day by themselves.
  I could be swayed on offices and shops, but I wouldn't like to see them at restaurants.
  
  I don't think dogs should be allowed in restaurants though, regardless of training. The problem is people will say their dog is trained to an expert level, but there's nothing to actually prove that.
  There are other instances of people bringing in potentially unwanted things into restaurants that are generally allowed. Take children for example - poorly raised children can raise hell and ruin a restaurant experience for everyone else, but children are usually allowed, with enforcement actions happening after unacceptable behavior has been shown.
  I think a similar policy would be appropriate for animals in restaurants. A well-behaved dog, that goes to rest under the table without bothering anyone during the visit, should not be a problem, while an uncontrolled dog that bothers other guests, tries to steal food or uses the floor as a bathroom should be taken action against.
  On the topic of offices - are dogs left unsupervised for the entire work day in the cases where they cannot be brought in? I'm asking because that's extremely cruel and in fact illegal where I live - dogs must by law not be left unattended for more than 6 hours.
  I understand how bad dogs can be a problem in offices, but my experience of dog-friendly offices have been nothing but positive - the presence of a well-trained dog generally just brings up everyone's spirit, and during focused work, the dog rests under the desk and does not bother anyone.
  
  What about blind people with service dogs?
  Isn't banning them akin to banning wheelchairs?
  I believe there is a certificate for professional trained service dogs like that. (If there isn't, there should.)
  A conversation along the lines of "Ma'am, we don't allow dogs in here unless they're a certified service dog." "No problem, here's my permit for Chester." should be no problem.
  And if Ma'am can't get Chester to behave, she'll be treated like any other unruly guest and invited to take her business (and her dog) elsewhere.
  
  Everywhere I've lived the vast majority of restaurants already don't allow dogs, and when they do it's usually in outdoor areas only. If dog-friendly restaurants are so prevalent where you live that you can't avoid them, then surely that's a sign that most people don't mind (or even prefer) them, yet you think they should be banned to accommodate you
- Nope. People are allergic, people don't like hair in their food, and a significant number of people are afraid of dogs, often due to related trauma. Certified service dogs and that's it, full stop. Anything else is just inconsiderate. The assumption that everyone wants to interact with your dog everywhere is a large part of my issue. A dog has zero place in a restaurant unless it's specifically a dog friendly spot lmfao.

I feel the exact same way with the exact same feedback to parents. I am tired of people's shitty kids running around, crawling on floors, looking at me in public, screaming and crying for no discernible fucking reason... I think we need to look at building segregated places for parents and animal owners and those of us that are one or the other and not interested in interactions with the opposite side.
Because it's the internet, I will clarify that this is partially a joke. It's also partially not a joke. And I apologize as a owner of multiple dogs for the experiences that you were having. That doesn't sound like something that's going to make anybodys day any better.
Personally, I keep my dogs at home unless I'm doing something like going hiking or out to the lake or somewhere else that seems like a reasonable place to bring an animal. Certainly not somewhere that's going to have their hair flying in the air and getting into people's foods or drinks or anything like that.
Thinking about it, I treated my kid the same way when they were first born...
- looking at me in public

Our neighbours across the road let their dogs roam; one has nipped at a neighbour's visitor; they occasionally get out as a pack and topple garbages down our street. One of them poops on our lawn at night. They had a year-long ban on getting any more dogs and some taken away, but that's expired. They've taken to letting cats (in)breed this past year, three litters in the past year. One kitten got run over last week, since they're all allowed to roam free and obviously are foraging for food.
The owners are totally negligent and we wish they would get a perma-ban from Animal Services... or at least required to gate and fence properly.
- It used to be we let animals roam around and killed the ones that behaved horribly. It's not a bad system.

It’s a regional thing. Last place I lived in a small town and the dogs there were poorly trained and always unleashed and I stopped running for that reason. “Oh he doesn’t bite, hahahaha, only snap a little “
Now I live in a bigger city and the dogs are well behaved, leashed or not. Regularly there are groups with a dog trainer. That really makes a difference.

I've rarely seen this. I have seen some inconsiderate things like people thinking they could bring their "purse dogs" in Dollar Tree? But I've never been to anyone's house where the dog is just allowed to steal food, or jump on people, etc. Other than a few well-behaved service dogs in my lifetime, I've never seen a dog in a restaurant. That's not legal. I've heard of people acting like ESAs have public access, but I've never actually seen it.
- It's an issue of enforcement rather than whether they're "allowed" to or not. I've been to many houses where the response to the dog jumping on a guest is "Hey! Don't do that!" Pets the dog. They think it's a child learning English, not an animal with no understanding of language. Even when I worked retail close to 10 years ago, people bringing their dog into the store was a regular occurrence. We had a policy against it, I just wasn't paid enough to care. And if I said anything, I'd get the "iTs My SuPpOrT aNiMaL" BS anyway. And whether it's legal or not, I've seen it, several times lmao. I was at a restaurant in Boston just a few weeks ago and a guy had his dog in one of those sling baby carriers across his chest.
  
  Dogs do understand language, that's how they learn commands. Through repetitive training of the word just like a baby learns a language. They just don't have the mental capacity to understand much past that.

Not unpopular with me, I'm fully on board with what you are saying and really dislike the animals and the owners. Letting them into anywhere selling food really is not fucking acceptable.

I blame the big pet supply stores in the US for normalizing bringing your dog into a store. It was there first, then people started bringing them into the big box home improvements stores - sure the floor is unfinished concrete and everything is hardy so it doesn't seem like much, but it's creeping change. Now I see them in almost any sort of store. I don't care for it.
Also - why isn't there a proper certification/accreditation for proper service animals? Like the ones with extensive training? Someone's untrained anxiety comfort animal or whatever gets treated the same as a trained-from-puppy seeing eye dog?

…Chandler?
- He's dead. Doesn't care about dogs anymore.

We keep our dogs at home mostly. Other than necessary things like vet trips, we walk them in the neighborhood sometimes and keep them on a short leash when someone comes near. We have a dog door, but we don't let them use it at night so they won't bark and wake up the neighbors. We always warn visitors that we have dogs and we have ways of making parts of the house dog free if necessary when visitors come. We love our dogs, but we try to be courteous with them.

You're gonna be in the dog house over this hot take...

Live in a quiet neighborhood and some bellend decides to get a huge German shepherd. Has to build a high fence to ensure the thing doesn't jump their 6' garden wall, plus it barks at everything, all day. The kids in the house nextdoor are scared of it, it pulls and barks constantly when out for walks and if it ever got loose, it would cause chaos.
But apparently they're all soft loving creatures on the inside, and more importantly, said bellend feels like a big man when out for a walk.
More breeds should be muzzled and restricted from residential areas.
- German Shepherds are exceptionally soft loving creatures. Sounds like your neighbor has put zero effort into training it though. I feel like much like a firearm, you should need a license to bring them out in public at this point.

I'm a dog person, but I agree, for the most part. Nobody should have to put up with wild, untrained animals in public places. That's kind of the point of civilization- taming and controlling nature. Untamed dogs do not belong.
That said, I think properly trained dogs are less offensive than most people. I do my best to train my dog, and I actually think she still has a long way to go. (She is very obedient, but being young, has a very short attention span and requires repeat commands to stay focused.)
The average training level of dogs these days is simply atrocious. I went out for a walk on a trail that allowed off leash dogs, and several people told me how shocked they were that my dog always came and stayed by my side when I commanded her to "heel" -frankly, this is disturbing. I consider a reliable recall the BARE MINIMUM for a dog.
"Good" dogs are usually the most predictable, reliable things in their environment

Amen. I can't stand dogs. They're ugly. They slobber and lick on everything. Half of owners don't train them at all and then when the dog misbehaves, if you say anything about it you're the asshole somehow.

You haven't even covered roaming street dogs. Unowned dogs just roaming streets, back alleyways, being a nuisance.

I love my dog more than anything on this planet, but she's mine and I don't expect anyone else to like her just because I do, she can be annoying as fuck, but I have more than enough love for her that it makes up for everyone else who doesn't like her.
I also agree tho, you don't have to take your dog everywhere you go unless you have a legitimate reason and that's what service dogs are for.

I literally cannot find a girlfriend because for some reason EVERY girl that I come across on dating sites has "MUST LOVE DOGS" or "I'll steal your dog" or "I want to own all the dogs." as one of the first things on their profile... Before even talking about themselves it's dogs dogs dogs... It's actually infuriating how obsessed so many of them are with dogs, not because I hate dogs or anything, but just because it's everyone around me. I'm perpetually a fish out of water.

Am I supposed to downvote because I whole heartedly agree? I've considered just telling people I'm allergic. I just do not get the fulfilment other people do from being near a dog.
- You don’t like, understand the appeal of unconditional love and companionship?
  I mean like there are certain kinds of dogs that if I saw out in public I might want to pet them, but like as a dog person I don’t like everyone’s dog, I like my dog.

How does this effect you? Do you envy the attention and affection the dogs are receiving?
- No, that would be weird
  
  then how does it affect you??

Depends on the breed really. Genetics are really important. Also instincts/purpose. Dont own an Australian shepherd in a dense city.
And never ever own baby eating pitbull type of dogs. Or anything that looks like it. Also dont interact with it.
- Hey everyone, this is an aggressive breed of human. Please, don't interact with it. They are very ignorant and aggressive.
  
  Hey wouldnt hurt a fly mauls a child

I think OP already hated dogs and that's kind of sad.

"iTs thE owNERs"

Dogs should be outdoor pets that live in the yard, as long as the climate is safe for them to stay outdoors. Indoor dogs are the big problem IMO.
- Lmao what
  If you leave your dog outside 24/7 you're kind of a piece of shit and shouldn't own a dog
  
  That sort of life for a dog is fine for farmers with working dogs who spend their whole day outside working and their dog is with them being stimulated, doing things and getting attention.
  Its not wether the animal is indoors or outdoors but the level of care and attention the animal recieves.
  
  Nope. You're wrong and it's normal for people with land. Dogs love it outside.
- I think most people have indoor dogs and for the most part they're fine. The problem (imo) usually stems from people not fully appreciating how much work it actually takes to look after, and train a dog. Especially post-lockdown.
- I live alone with my two (indoor) dogs. How are they a "big problem" for anyone else?
- Nah fuck you, if you are the type of person who leaves your dogs in your backyard 24/7 barking non stop, filling your backyard with dog shit for all your neighbors to hear and smell than fuck you, you are a terrible dog owner.
  
  Nope, I'm a great everything, and I'm better than you. So go fuck yourself, and enjoy this block so that you can never hassle me again.

Look, we understand that you are jealous of the dog getting all the attention, but have you ever considered that the folks you were trying to impress just aren't that into you?
- Huh?
  
  He's trying to be funny. He's failing. Badly. Because Martians in human skins don't understand Earth humour.

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