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Steam does what Nintendoes and Nintendon't

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Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don't have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.
- Sometimes you don't even have to pay for games. 😇
  
  Lemmy instance checks out
- It's not Valve that makes the decision, check how many times Factorio was on sale.
  
  I respect their integrity.
- GOG is cheaper. Steam does have more franchise deals though.
  
  GOG is also DRM-free and lets you download the game installer as a backup, even if they've been pushing hard for their GOG Galaxy clients as of lately.
  
  Sadly GOG isn't even close to as good as Steam for Linux support.
- https://isthereanydeal.com/
- Escept for red dead redemption. RDR2 is actually cheaper for some reason
- My experience is that games on Steam are still far more expensive than their pendants for PS4 or similar on ebay (new).
- I think it depends on the developer sometimes, for example when Microsoft announced they were going to delist Forza Horizon 4 (June of last year) they put it on sale multiple times at 80% until it was delisted on December 16

steam voice chat
PC exclusive games
Get every GameCube game for free instantly by pirating them
- GameCube, Wii... Even switch if you can find an emulator fork that still works
  
  Switch emulators are still just as easy to find as they always were. Most people include them with the game.
  
  Don't forget Wii U! Oh, right, they ported everything worthwhile to the Switch.
  
  Sidebar in my community has links for the surviving Switch emu forks, but I haven't tried installing them on Linux/Deck yet.
  Assume it's going to be far more manual than a Flatpak or whatever for the time being :S
- I'm sold
- Well not instantly because you have to wait for your torrent client to download it

ultimate
- A hacked Switch is a pretty good Nintendo piracy device, too.
  
  If you can find one without the updated firmware

We already know that the steamdeck plays switch games better than the switch. It would be hilarious if it also plays switch2 games better than the switch2.
- It definitely won't play Switch 2 games better. The hardware is roughly in the same ballpark performance wise, but the steam deck needs to emulate Switch 2 games.
  Please, you can argue all you want against Nintendo, but just straight up lying really doesn't help.
  
  Steam link to a desktop running an emulator though?
  Is there even much competition between them though, I would have thought people considering one wouldn't even think of the other.
- If the switch 2s hardware isn't better than the Deck, then of course it will.
  
  Do we know what the switch2's hardware is yet?

Ah yes, the Deck vs. Switch debate. One offers performance and affordability, the other offers nostalgia at premium prices. Choose your fighter: the powerhouse or the Pokémon tax.
- Considering the Steam Deck can run just about every console game ever made up to PS2 gen (and a good amount made after), I'd say they have the Switch 2 beat on nostalgia.
  
  Yeah but not the memberberries kind!
  
  I play Steel Panthers on my steam deck, a DOS game from the 90s
- Palworld for the win.
  
  Haha right? Palworld really said 'what if Pokémon had guns and capitalism' and somehow made it work
- You can emulate almost any Nintendo game from before 2016 on a steamdeck. Just got to wait a few more years for the switch emulators to get efficient enough to run well on the steam deck!
- I know I'm not the standard pokemon fan, but showdown still exists if you just like to battle. The in-game gameplay of pokemon has always been a little lackluster to me and I don't like VGC/doubles.
  ROM hacks can be fun, and I have done some self imposed challenge runs. I can't see myself finishing any of the Prof oak challenges I did without emu speedup.
- I still have my GBC with pokemon yellow and a flash cart with (almost, missing the new ones) every GB and GBC rom in existence on it that supports save states, and can emulate many switch games on the deck iirc if I were somehow nostalgic for those, and in fact can emulate basically any nintendo game from history I may be nostalgic for better than the switch, among other games nintendo didn't make.
  Which one is the real nostalgia machine? (Hint: It's the Gameboy Color lol)
- "Powerhouse"

Switch 2 proceeds to outsell the deck by a factor of 50
- Steam is clearly playing the long game with Steam Deck and Steam OS, they're basically trying to slowly normalize portable gaming pcs. If they achieve this Nintendo will not be just facing competition from Steam Deck but from multiple devices from the likes of Asus, Lenovo, Dell (Alienware).
- Absolutely. Nintendo has huge fanbase with most of them not caring about Nintendo ripping them off and Nintendo has some of the most highly regarded and iconic gaming IPs in the world and Nintendo has insane marketing budget behind the Switch 2 and the switch doubles as a home console.
  I love the Deck but it's not going to outsell the Switch and I think Valve isn't interested in pulling people away from the Switch. Valve made the Deck primarily for Steam users and that's who they're targeting.
  
  Mario Kart on Steam? It's more likely than you think.
- Even PS Portal sales is not that far from Deck. You know, the handheld that people said won't sell
- Haha. Not in the US, thank you Mr. Trump very much.

The funny part is steam has the most exclusives of em all.
- It also has integrated microphone and you can also talk to your friends while playing 🤣
  
  And steam chat doesn't require a subscription
  
  Not allowing strangers to talk to my kid is absolutely a Switch selling point.
- And gamecube games... and wii games and n64 games and ps2 games..

The pricing of this is really going to fuck them.
BotW should be like $10 by now. The fucking DLC for it still costs twice that.
- Switch 2 is going to be a repeat of the Wii U disaster.
  "No Timmy, I'm not paying 500 dollars for Mario Kart. Don't you already have that game?"
  
  I wish it wasn't true, because the wii u had some great games and ideas, and the switch 2 definitely will as well.
  But yeah, a HUGE portion of Nintendo's sales come from being the budget, kid friendly option. When a parent sees a ps5, xbox and switch 2 all lined up for roughly the same price, Nintendo isn't going to be the default choice it once was.
  And it kinda sucks because all people do is hate on the switch for its lower performance. The only way to get better performance is to put more expensive parts in leading to a higher price. They can't win in some ways.
- what are you talking about botw is free now
  
  Where?

If you want to (legally) play Nintendo games, obviously buy a Switch 2. You don't have any other option. If Nintendo games aren't that important to you, and/or if you already have a large Steam library, a Steam Deck is a great option.
Personally, I love my Steam Deck, but I'm looking forward to a Steam Deck 2, or maybe a third party handheld, running SteamOS, that has a nice, big, 1080p screen, better controls, and better battery life. More power would be nice, but not if it comes with a louder fan and poor battery life. Honestly, I'd even be ok if the device was focused on local streaming, from my PC.
- Dude, I know you didn't ask me but I 100% agree with your last part. I bought the deck. Loved it, still do. Then I bought an ally. I said, dang, game over deck, but now all I do with my ally is stream things from my gaming PC locally. Id love if the deck had vrr and 120hz/1080p screen but everything else was the same. I'd sell all of my other systems for that and exclusively just play PC games.
  
  Yeah, as long as I can get low enough latency that I don't have to worry about input lag, I prefer having my PC do the heavy lifting. The games look much, much better, but the battery on the handheld lasts much longer. I am really hoping that someone will release a great streaming handheld. When that happens, I will finally replace my Steam Deck.

There are plenty of complaints you could levy but $90 minimum is obviously a fucking lie. And don't come at me with 1-2 examples. We all know that's bullshit.
- Yeah its $80 minimum which is bad enough no need to lie to exaggerate especially since nintendo never has sales. But lets be real all the good games are gunna be at that price. You know all the games that you would buy a switch for anyways, ie mariokart, mario oddessey 2 or whatever it's called, super smash, pokemon. The cheaper games will be all the games that you should just buy on another platform.
  Who knows i could be wrong
  Edit sorry misspoke,minimum isn't 80 but I meant to say if mario kart is 80 that signals to me that most mario Nintendo games like kart, pokemon, etc will likely all be 80 as well. Maybe donkey kong is a little less because it isn't an established franchise, or maybe the less popular stuff will be a little less.
  That is to say the minimum isn't 80 but any of the games that you will want to get a switch2 for probably will be close to 80 digital.
  Also it hits harder because Nintendo shit never goes on sale, sure i guess you could argue it holds value or some dumb shit but some of us just want to play games and not spend $1000 on a console and 5 mario games.
  I haven't been a nintendo customer for a long time, but this will certainly dissuade me from buying a system in the near future
  
  No it isn't $80 minimum
  
  If we are being real you could look up the preorder prices of the games and see that 80 dollars is the maximum.
  I can't speak for the US but in the EU, some retailers are ignoring the RRP nintendo set and selling games way cheaper.
  Even in the UK, where this isn't the case, I am seeing £75 for mario kart. Only £5 more than most games cost these days.
  Also £65 for donkey kong which is £5 less than standard.
  I appreciate that nintendo games dont tend to drop in cost over time and perhaps like many others you would prefer to try to justify piracy (to be clear, and fair, i have pirated games,tv and movies of the years, but dont tend to do it much these days) then by all means, dont by these games, dont by the switch 2. But dont lie about what it is and what it costs just to be part of the rage.
  I find it so strange that the people who pirate games are getting mad about the cost of games they are going to pirate anyway. I am not saying thats you, because i dont know you, but a lot of this rage comes from people who were never going to pay for it in the first place. Its baffling.
  But anyway, the point is, if you are going to be mad at it, then at least be mad at what it actually is, yeah?

Balatro on mobile is $10 why would you need anything else
- i also bought it on my steamdeck so i can play it on slighter bigger small screen
- Based

How well does Dolphin run on the SteamDeck?
- Runs great, been playing though the Metroid Pimes series with PrimeHacks. Solid 60fps
  
  Ugh you've just given me a new Deck project!
- Really really well. Haven't encountered a single game that didn't run flawlessly.
- I thought you meant the file browser Dolphin for a second lol, which is the filebrowser the Steam Deck comes with by default.
  
  They should switch to thunar for this reason and this reason only.

I can't talk to my friends while I play my deck? News to me
- Pretty sure you can.
  I mean it's a Linux computer. So you could prob just call your friends on discord.
  
  Exactly
- No, you're not allowed. You need to pay special Talking To Friends license

LMAO Nintendo buyers are not even part of this conversation. Their community is basically tied with the loyalty they have provided for years and now it's time to cash it in

Was $90 the minimum? I thought it was the maximum.
- $90 for physical, $80 for digital. You get to save $10 so Nintendo can later take it off their marketplace, and remove your access to the game.
  
  You get to save $10 so Nintendo can later take it off their marketplace, and remove your access to the game.
  The shitty part is that I don't think physical games are even exempt from that problem. Excluding whichever Switch 2 games are use the "key card" option versus "memory card" (key card basically just being a transferrable download code), we see games like Tears of the Kingdom being nearly unplayable without the day 1 patch. Or other games like Splatoon 3 that simply don't include the full game on the cart and prompt you to download launch-day content after booting it up.
  Neither of these games will be very playable even with physical cards once the Switch eShop servers go down for good.
  We can only hope the current standard of backwards compatibility lasts indefinitely so all digital stores can basically be like Steam going forward and keep their content available across all future generations. But even that is a stretch when who even knows what the state of CPU architecture will look like in 15-20 years.
  
  Pretty sure this was confirmed to be untrue, at least for US pricing.
- We don't know tariff cost yet
  
  1 billion dollars
- Maximum is only limited by greed of corporations.
- It's neither. They have announced two game prices so far. One was $80 the other was $70. I'm of the opinion that they are going to start implementing a kind of tiered pricing, but that's just a shot in the dark.

I don't know what Nintendo was thinking by doing the Nintendo tax bullshit harder than ever during a time when Americans are facing such heavy financial burdens
- These tariffs suck for sure, but America is not the center of the world : the pricing of these games is insane and looks like a poor marketing decision globally
  
  I'm aware, but it's worth noting since America is usually a big consumer country, and right now, we can't onsume.
- The Switch has the Switch tax. The Switch 2 will have the Switch 2 TARIFF.
- Most likely they came up with the plan while people thought Trump was not going to do the crazy stuff he kept talking about...
  
  To still go through with it and have Doug Bowser give this "Do you guys not have phones?" level bullshit defense?

Switch 2 also added a new button just to advertise their subscription, turns out that C button stands for "CASH PLEASE UwU"
- They changed that other button so when pressed it takes a picture of your billing info

So, hypothetically, if a friend of mine wanted to play some switch games on his/her steam deck, where would be the best place to... aquire said games? Again, purely hypothetical.
- A friend of a friend of mine mostly uses this site, but you can always check out the piracy megathread. https://nsw2u.com/
  
  Wouldn't AYN Loki or Odin be better for pirated games?
- Ziperto's a good place to check in addition to the other site linked.
  
  Hypothetically of course

I love my Steam Deck but it doesn't have Mario Kart or even anything like it
- It does if you run Dolphin.
  
  What if I want to play Mariokart World online with my friends?
  
  That's still just Nintendo with extra steps.
- Bro doesn't know about dolphin
- lol there are so many racing as well as cart games, and the fact you can run literally any Nintendo game on PC
  
  None of them really compare, and I'm not really interested in setting up emulation.
- SuperTuxKart exists for a native Linux kart racer, and it's FOSS on top of that. Oh, and since STK is FOSS, I can imagine there are some tracks as intricate as anything in modern MarioKart if not moreso, that the community around it made for it.
  
  SuperTuxKart is a neat indie game, but I really would not compare it to Mario Kart or try to recommend it as a substitute.
- Isnt there an open source linux cart racer?
  The nickolodeon cart racer is fun and I have heard one of the sonic cart racing game is real good.

You can also install a Switch emulator and just keep it even if Nintendo cease&decists again.

Not a Nintendo fanboy. But their own IP games are truly fun. That alone is enough incentive to buy the switch
- To emulate* on my desktop 😌
  
  This.
- Yeah, this is the only reason I have a Switch. I'm a sucker for their first party games, and I will probably buy a Switch 2 for Mario Odyssey 2 alone.

The switch direct unironically made me want to get a steam deck. I guess no rush, though.
- I was waiting for the reveal to decide, and they did an excellent job getting me to choose a Steam Deck. I'll be sure to put as many Nintendo games on there as possible just because I know they hate it.
- I wonder if a Deck 2 is going to ever come out.

Only on extremely rare occasions have I spent more than £40 on a game for my Steam Deck
- For your Steam Deck. And your Linux laptop. And your Windows desktop. And your next handheld, which might be an MSI Claw or Lenovo Legion. And so on...

Sadly the trend of $80 for a digital copy of games will be copied by every major AAA studio in the following years if Nintendo succeed. The switch 1 games are not pricer than others at launch, they just never for whatever fucking reason become cheaper.
- And then AAA studios will see their games stay on digital shelves indefinitely and pirating skyrocket and they'll learn that they're not nintendo and trying to be will bankrupt them.

I already made a joke similar to this in another thread in another community, but... SteamOS does! What Windon't.

Can anyone explain why there is so much hate against Nintendo?
- See post image for answer, also ridiculous litigation for emulation.
  
  Also ridiculous patent trolling.
- Nintendo has been very anti-consumer for fuck I don't even know how many years at this point. They get into lawsuits more than they get into game development. Shutting down fan projects any chance they get. Any dick move a company can make Nintendo has made it
  
  Nintendo has been very anti-consumer for fuck I don’t even know how many years at this point.
  About 40. Maybe more.
- The whole basis of both the love and hate for Nintendo is that they are a 90s company with modern tech
  
  Let's be honest : the love is from one single thing - Nintendo's game design.
  Shigeru Miyamoto, and all the other major design leads at Nintendo like Masahiro Sakurai have been at this singular company for most of if not their ENTIRE careers and have done nothing but make video games for 40+ years now.
  The game industry at large is riddled these days with 20-somethings and interns who've never shipped a game, or who are in survival mode and trying to just keep their heads above water employment-wise.
  Many older game devs get burned out and change industry, or quit after a decade or so, and even the ones that stay never stick with the same company because so many cut staff after any game ships... except Nintendo and maybe a couple of other companies out there.
  And it SHOWS. Nintendo's game designers - like a 60 year old master carpenter or woodworker or a dwarven master blacksmith - have honed the artisanal craft of game design to a level of mastery otherwise unseen.
  Yes Nintendo sucks at pretty much everything else not related directly to game design, but there's a reason everyone tried to make their open worlds more like Breath of the Wild, or why Astro Bot seems to share so many platforming similarities with masterful 3D Nintendo platformers like Mario Odyssey, and why so many companies tried to copy Wii Sports at the height of its popularity.
  Even games like Smash Bros have no comparable equal. Yes Sony did their own melee game featuring their IP, but to even try to compare the 2 games is a joke.
  Outside of their masterful gameplay design... Nintendo IP is on the same level as Disney. Everyone else isn't even Warner Bros. Animation Studios. They're Hanna-Barbera.
  It sucks that Nintendo is being greedy, but that Donkey Kong game DOES look fun and charming as hell and that Mario Kart game is something everyone will still go bonkers for.
- Nintendo are vulnerable to attack from lots of different angles because they are different and successful. Some of the criticism is justified, some isn't. Their (some would argue previous) competitors in Microsoft and Sony are too irrelevant in the console gaming space for anyone to care this much about what they do.
- It's the internet hate machine. Everyone has hobbies, and some people's hobby is to hate things. All kinds of things. Celebrities, sitcoms, children's movies, but especially video games.
  It doesn't matter what you put into the internet hate machine; the only thing that comes out the other end is hatred. It's not fact-based or even experience-based. It's just pure negativity, perpetuated through shitty memes and circle jerk forum comments.
  The claim in this meme isn't even true. It was debunked days ago. Doesn't matter. It'll keep getting repeated by people on the internet who copied it from other people on the internet. The definition of a circle jerk.
  The internet hate machine has killed lots of good media. It's a shame to see Nintendo get caught up in it. I hope it doesn't stick.

Speed run all games pirated any %

I got a Switch for ACNH and BoTW, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay Nintendo's exorbitant prices for a new system and games. I'll experience it vicariously through others.

"You can put pirated stuff on me and I don't give a fuck. I'll even help you run them through Steam."

Talking about being able to play gamecube games on switch 2 as though Dolphin doesn't exist... or rather they wish it didn't.

GTA6: Hold my beer.
- I'm really interested in the reaction now that Nintendo has popped the seal, because I think GTA6 even if it launches a buggy mess, ive seen people say they would pay $100 for it.

oh but you have to pay extra to have access to the GameCube games. in addition to being able to play online.
man if i didn't love splatoon so much id stop bothering with Nintendo

Not to mention that the build quality of the Deck is miles ahead of the shitty Switch.

Who the fuck is paying $90 for a Nintendo game? I didn't pay half that for the whole Star Wars set.
- Who the fuck is paying $90 for a Nintendo game?
  No one, the most expensive games on Switch 2 so far are $80. The meme is spreading false information just to make people angry and farm upvotes.
  
  Digital is 79.99. Physical game card is 89.99.
- n65 games are going for $50/cartrige these days. They're actually a commodity.

You don't live in Australia do you
All our games cost $100AUD even on steam

My sole motivation for ever buying a Nintendo product would be for Pokémon.
- I'm not saying you should stop, but I am saying people like you are the reason pokemon is so bad these days.
  Seriously, a real fan needs to have standards, otherwise you're just a simp. Scarlet and Violet should have been the final straw - though sword and shield should have been better too...
  
  I am still not going to buy one. Just that it's the only reason I can think to get one
- Me too except that they've already indicated pretty much to everyone that they're not going to in any way innovate on the idea.

Everyone knows what Steam does better, but there are a few things I wish they'd improve :
more granular touch display
higher resolution screen + larger higher res touch pad surfaces
TMR sticks
a REAL dock with simpler connection of some kind that doesn't require a weird USB-C connected cable dangling off the top (but still would support 3rd party docks with that USB-C port)
better vibration motors
pressure sensitive face buttons (this hasn't been done standard since the PS2 era, but would open up the possibility of PROPER PS2 emulation for games like MGS2 and MGS3, which STILL hasn't been done right thanks to the disappearance of pressure sensitive face buttons)
hot-swappable batteries that can be charged in the Deck or externally if needed
haptic triggers
NFC
built-in microphone array to allow voice chat + isolation
built-in simple web cam / IR sensor array for face tracking / video chat / streamer setup
advanced optional stylus with pressure sensitivity / pointer function similar to a wii-mote that can be stored / recharged on top magnetically / wirelessly

Have we really not grown out of this "console war" bullshit mentality?
- I agree, that's why I choose the Steam Deck, not a console, it's a linux computer in the form of a handheld.
- People can compare products you know.
  
  People should compare products. Allegiance to one company gets you abused in the end every time.

Switch is versatile, can be played in more than one way
- Hold my beer while I connect multiple displays to the steam deck, a keyboard & mouse, xbox & playstation controllers and wii motes.
- Clearly you don't know much about the steam deck if you think the switch is more versatile
  
  For a casual user? Definitely he Switch wins here.
  If you have experience in Linux it opens up a lot more possibilities on the Steam Deck, but likewise, you can technically do that on a Switch too.
- The PSP was launched in 2004, could be connected to your TV and even could be used to play on the PS3, so yeah is as versatile as a touch screen PSP.
- can't even use it as a web browser because they're too scared of exploits
  they're so scared of web exploits that they chose to castrate the JS performance of their own eshop, limiting sales of new games

This take is in bad faith, because most people that are going to buy a switch 2 already have a switch and you can play older games on it and it's only 10$ to upgrade if there is a new edition for a game you have. And it's true that Nintendo doesn't really discount older games but you can buy them used for cheap.
- only 10$ to upgrade
  a game you have.
  Jeez, what a good deal, so I didn't own shit to begin with and now I have to pay 10 bucks to get "an upgrade" that I won't own either.
  We won't own shit and we will be happily serving our overlords, right?
  To be honest, the majority of people buying a Switch 2 is gonna be parents with children, and nostalgia suckers.
  
  You don't have to pay for it, it will work as is.
- because most people that are going to buy a switch 2 already have a switch
  What, why would they buy another one then?

With switch you can real own a game, with steam you only have a license.
- not with switch 2 though, the cartridges are only keys for the digital download as far as I've heard
  
  I thin this is mostly for games like Elden Ring and Cyberpunk 2077, which are too big to actually fit on a cartridge.
  
  First-party games are still fully on the cart and the Game-Key Cards are a cheap option for third parties, for now.....
  I personally don't trust Nintendo to not try this on their first-party titles at some point though.
  
  This is misinformation, cartridges with Key will replace only gift cards
- Not with the Switch 2 bringing back dongle DRM and applying it to downloaded games ala the Game-Key Card.
- You could use other game stores
  
  GOG and itch is the only I know, but is a little dificult get them on steam deck

There are freaking expensive games on Steam just as there will be cheap indie games on the Switch 2, the meme is pretty stupid.
- The point is I can play my entire steam library wherever (on any pc or steam deck) and will keep said library on any future PC or steam deck.
  No need to buy the same game on multiple consoles overtime.
  Steam vs Consoles and steam is winning.
  
  Nope, that wasn't the original point at all, you're just moving the goalpost.
  Also, just keep your consoles if you don't want to potentially lose access to the games you had on them. If I don't have a PC anymore I can't play my PC games. See, it's the same thing!
- First party switch games vs first party valve games then?
  
  How many first party games does Valve release every year?

That’s because 90% of steam games are trash.
- This statement manages to be sorta true while also missing that there's more great games on steam than the entire, mature Switch 1 library.
  
  Right. "10% of a million versus 50% of a thousand" type situation. Plus, Steam's pretty good at promoting the better games, even the obscure ones.
- I dont think you're wrong but Luckily Steam has a decent algorithm for making sure the best games rise to the top of your store page based on your similar games played/wishlisted.
  
  They have that I agree. The steam deck is at least $300 more than the switch 2 where I live so to me the comparison isn’t fair.
  Edit: i just went online and $110 for a dock is insane, I don’t know why steam doesn’t get called out for that. The steam deck i want is already $800+ tax
- This is a crazy generalization.
  
  Kinda the point of my comment, nobody sees the irony. I just went on steam and there are games that are $120+. All these companies have varying games and prices.i just want people to remember that Steam is a corporation and Gabe is a billionaire. Don’t let them pull the same shit musk did, stop worshipping corporations and billionaires and posting memes to start some sort of brand corporate team war
- That 10% that's good is still a larger library than you could ever reasonably expect to play, even if you don't have a job. But I also think there's a massive amount of games that could be good and just no one's played them.

rather give money to a Japanese company than an american one
- I'd rather give money to the company with the more consumer-friendly device.
- Valve is based in New Zealand isn't it?
  
  No, Bellevue, Washington.
- I don't care about the origin of a company as much as I do about whether or not they engaging anti-consumer practices.
- Japanese corporations are known for being unethical too to completely fair.
  
  (Pssst! My friend! >!"to be"!!<)
  
  Correction: Black Companies in Japan are unethical
  Black companies being the term for what you and I know as evil companies like amazon for example
  This is like me saying
  "European corporations are known for being unethical too to completely fair." (Was going to use america in this example but that countries gone down the shitter) because some employers are unethical.
  I hate how people online have some sort of hate boner for Japan where they take some small issue and say the entirety of Japan is like that.

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