I think Israel is losing the information war on this recent crisis. They're trying to defend the indefensible. There's no way to spin "we dropped a bomb on a refugee camp" into something acceptable. And people are seeing the bullshit for what it is.
Frankly I don't know which words are powerful enough to describe this and condemn it. I don't think the right words exist to explain how bad it is.
This logic is just... If it's justified to blow up a refugee camp to kill a senior leader of Hamas, then by that same logic, Hamas would be justified in blowing up Israel's capitol buildings to kill Netanyahu.
Fucking hell, not only that, but this logic defends the Hamas attack on Israel too. There could have been IDF members there or government officials.
I don't see how anybody condemning Hamas' terrorist attack could not condemn this. It's the same picture.
It's textbook genocide. They've seen they can get away with anything under the guise of war, so why not just solve all their issues and make sure no one's alive to return to their homes?
“But you know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians—men, women, and children—in that refugee camp as well, right?” Blitzer asked again.
“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”
Holy shit, Wolf is getting trolled on just as hard as us, but on live TV... I hate the future.
"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there. We’re still looking into it.”
So... you bombed this refugee area, didn't give a fuck... you got the target you wanted along with a bunch of civilians. Now, after the fact, you are searching for more justifications than you had before the attack was sanctioned.
What the fuck. They may as well just say "tell us what you need to hear for this to be okay, and we'll say it".
Blitzer pressed Hecht on the logic involved in Israel’s decision to target the refugee camp.
“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”
Who comes up with these headlines?? Certainly not someone who based it off the video used to support their claim.
This bullshit dilutes real news stories. Headline should read; "IDF bombs refugee camp in attempt to kill Hamas terrorist, knowing it was full of civilians." That's the story and it's fucked alone as it is. Why sensationalize this and make up shit that is objectively untrue??
It's just sad, absolutely sad that Israel is using these excuses to use weapons of war against thousands of impoverished, innocent civilians, the large majority having nothing to do with the tragedy that occurred in early October.
The U.S. needs to take away the toys it gave to Israel.
"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there."
Translation:
We killed them all just in case one of them was an asshole. What if we're actually totally justified in bombing a refugee camp? We certainly don't know for sure that we weren't. Now that all of those innocent children are dead we're checking under their corpses to see if there's anything we can use to make ourselves seem like the good guy here.
Israel's excuse is pure political theater. This was a war crime. Regardless of who's coming a war crime - Israel, Hamas, Russia, America, Isis, or anyone else, they should be held to account. But they won't, which is just so fucked up. But much like politicians and cops, you can't effectively punish the ones with all the power.
Israel is punching down so hard it's insane. If they really knew where the Hamas leader was, they could absolutely send in a team or assassin to take him out without the collateral damage. It's not like they don't have spec ops or all the money and military resources they could need to do the job. Hell, the pro-Ukraine saboteurs in Russia have been able to destroy military assets and assassinated at least one oligarch, all without hitting a crowd of civilians no matter how anti-Ukraine said civilians might be. Israel has no goddamn excuse. Neither does Hamas. They're both at fault and the individual persons responsible should be punished.
I'm an ardent supporter of Israel and their right to defend themselves in these extreme times. This isn't that.
This is not okay. Targeting the tunnels is understandable. Targeting their leadership is understandable. Targeting a refugee camp is not acceptable, it's the sort of thing Hamas would do and I can't believe they've gone that far.
I have noticed a change in tone from the colonel. He was very much all fire and bluster before while explaining why it's Palestinians' fault they are dying. Now he comes across as far gentler while explaining why it's Palestinians' fault they are dying.
Disclaimer: what I'm about to say is not in support of any action, it's just philosophical musing.
Isn't the whole concept of a war crime sort of hypocritical? War is inherently barbaric and uncivilized. Yet we seem to think we can make it something other than that by placing restrictions on parts of it. The goal is to defeat your enemy but society says it's not gentlemanly to do it in a particular way, as if treating it like a sporting event with ineffectual referees will fundamentally change what's happening. At the end of the day we're still giving the green light to kill a bunch of people. I get why we do it, it just seems insincere to stop short of saying any amount of killing is immoral. We'll only allow you to kill these people in these places under these circumstances.
I don't know how this helps anybody it's just something I was thinking about.
The U.S. has a talking zombie for a leader. Victims of injustice have long memories, and so do their families. The world is not on the side of Israel. The Holocaust trump card that diverts any criticism of Israel's behavior as anti-Semitism is expired, null, and void. They are backed by the U.S. unequivocally, to commit genocide rather than push for ceasefire and dialogue. The U.S. president, a talking zombie, has made his country less safe.
It's a religious holy war, nothing else... And it's irrational because of it.
Religion has darkened politics for the past decade in particular ways. In America it's shown Christians will support fascism. In the middle east it's showing Jews will do as well...
...religion is the root cause. Anyone over there is there for religious reasons. I think perhaps it would be best if, whenever peace is achieved, the secularist west nuke the entire area, with a particular focus on long term irradiation of all holy sites. This version of humanity in the current era can't handle organised religion, and it needs to be prohibited with an automatic means of early death. It needs to be made abstract and reasonable... and only the irrationality or nuclear irradiation can be its metaphorical equal.
Nuke religion. Nuke religious wars. Irradiated holy sites.
And yet no one bats an eye when china murders millions of muslims or Armenians are getting wiped out. The west only cares about Palestinians, even when they get warning after warnings of evacuation orders.
"Israel says leave north Gaza for fear of your life"
"Two weeks pass, plenty of time for anyone to flee"
"People who didn't live are fearing their lives"
Come on. Are they supposed to go in there on foot on basically suicide missions to heavily trapped areas because people are refusing to get out of an active warzone after multiple warnings? How about keeping Hamas responsible for evacuating their civilians when they live in active warzones? Israel is legit the only country in the world who knocks first, and ya'll are goving them crap for it. Grow up.
People get surprised when people are killed in warzones. 10/10 logic.
if hamas werent cowards they wouldnt try (and fail) to hide in civilian camps. they do it because they have no actual chance in a real war. end result is more civilian casualties.
“A short while ago, IDF fighter jets, acting on ISA intelligence, killed Ibrahim Biari, the Commander of Hamas' Central Jabaliya Battalion. Biari was one of the leaders responsible for sending “Nukbha” terrorist operatives to Israel to carry out the murderous terror attack on October 7th. Numerous Hamas terrorists were hit in the strike.
Biari oversaw all military operations in the northern Gaza Strip since the IDF entered. He was also responsible for sending the terrorists who carried out the 2004 terrorist attack in the Ashdod Port in which 13 Israelis were murdered, and was responsible for directing rocket fire at Israel, and advancing numerous attacks against the IDF, over the last two decades.
His elimination was carried out as part of a wide-scale strike on terrorists and terror infrastructure belonging to the Central Jabaliya Battalion, which had taken control over civilian buildings in Gaza City. The strike damaged Hamas’ command and control in the area, as well as its ability to direct military activity against IDF soldiers operating throughout the Gaza Strip.
As a result of the strike, a large number of terrorists who were with Biari were killed. Underground terror infrastructure embedded beneath the buildings, used by the terrorists, also collapsed after the strike.
The IDF reiterates its call to the residents of the area to move south for their safety.”an this?