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CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

edition.cnn.com CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.

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Bullshit. Manufacturing consent.

SSRS are a C+ pollster. I'd trust them about as far as I can throw them.

A fucking mail survey on top of that. Talk about self-selection.

The CNN poll was conducted by SSRS from July 1 through 31 among a random national sample of 1,279 adults initially reached by mail.

The margin of error could also make actual support go either way.

Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points; it is larger for subgroups.

All in all, a completely useless poll.

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- The reality is that what majority of people in US want has absolutely no effect on what the government does as a study analyzing decades of US policy clearly showed:
  
  What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
  
  What makes these news stories relevant is that they're an indicator of where the ruling class is planning to take things, and it's pretty clear that the narrative is being shaped for US to pull out of the proxy war with Russia.
  
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- Absolutely awesome find. Thanks for the input. My stomach sank when I read that article this morning on CNN. Couldn't believe we would give up our support so quickly
  
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And there’s that western heel turn, right on schedule. Between this and that "Ukraine is testing the patience of it's allies" article yesterday, it's pretty clear that US media has now begun manufacturing consent to decouple from Ukraine. We've been shipping them insufficient quantities of ammo for a while now, so I guess with the stalling out of the counteroffensive, the Pentagon has evidently decided that the battle lines have solidified, and the final closing of the money spigot, at least militarily, is at hand.

Most likely some diplomatic deal will be struck in the coming months to preserve the remaining Ukranian territory in a stable enough state for Blackrock and all the other speculators to reap the profit of all their new acqusitions. My heart goes out to the common people of Ukraine, the last ten years have been brutal for them (the coup, the Banderite resurgence, the killing of dissidents and labor organizers, and this meat grinder of a war), and it looks like with "radical privatization" on the horizon, the next ten years are gonna be even worse. I hope they can organize for some quality of life against the megacorporations planning to turn them into a banana republic after the war.

My second concern, and it's a concern that's never talked about until it's too late, is the blowback. Intervention is never without consequences. America' funding of fundamentalist militants against the USSR in Afghanistan created Al Queda. Western intervention against Saddamn Hussein (who's Baath party itself served as a western intervention against pan-Arab nationalism during the Cold War) sparked the Gulf War. The Gulf War set the stage for our invasion of Iraq, and our invasion of Iraq created ISIS. So what happens after the war, when all the leftover Azov guys, these staunch nationalists, look back at the west and see (correctly) the political bloc that put their government into power, sent them juust not quite enough materiel to win the war, and then abandoned their military to the Russian Federation and their people to venture capital? Much has already been written about the dissapearing of American weapons in Ukraine into Europe's various black markets, and when you combine that with the deluge of newly impoverished, traumatized and radicalized Ukranian combat veterans with an axe to grind against the west, you've got a hundred European 9/11s just waiting to happen. Pretty solid chance that 5 years from now, someone shoots down a passenger jet with a secondhand Javelin.

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Like I'm gonna trust CNN after Tramp's friend bought it.

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- they lost any credibility that's left after hosting that trump townhall bs
  
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- Interesting. David Zaslav, also the guy who pulled programming from HBO Max and renamed it Max.
  
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Completely wrong

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I still remember the fake "onsite" reports "from Iraq".. CNN as phony as a two dollar bill

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- Wait what? Two dollar bills are real? Am I being wooshed?
  
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  Two dollar bills are, in fact, real.
  
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I smell russian bs…

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- It's absolutely incredible how people got trained to screech about Russian propaganda any time they're faced with anything that doesn't fit the propaganda narrative they've internalized. Imagine how out of touch with reality a person has to be to genuinely believe that CNN is doing Russian propaganda.
  
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Fuck CNN. Another useless "news" network like fawx news.

Get your news from AP directly or from PBS (who is the only news company that still follows the Fairness Doctrine)

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