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‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele

www.mediaite.com ‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele

"The homegrowns are next." President Trump told the El Salvador president he needs "five more" prisons to house American criminals to be deported.

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This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
- when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I'll do is take some nazis with me.
  
  I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won't raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you're dead anyway. ''ICE kills US citizen'' is a much stronger headline than ''Trump says he will do this to citizens'' additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ''just following orders'' includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
  
  As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
  May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don't you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
  
  Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
  You'll have to flee immediately after, because they'll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
  
  Melt the ICE
  
  Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
  Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
  They wouldn't correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
  That is if they'd still don't just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
  
  Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
  
  Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people's houses. Don't wait. Force the issue.
- Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn't the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
  
  I bet when "ice" agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
- Wasn't the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
  
  Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as 'population' and not people, so the south wasn't totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it's hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
- I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn't enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it's still working.
  
  non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don't wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things 'really' got worse. By then it's always too late. They're planning accordingly.
  
  Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
  
  Why doesn't the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It's true he wasn't a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by "administrative error," there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they've already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn't complying.
  If that's your bright line, maybe check out the boot that's straddling it.

Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible
This is where our country is heading
- buy a gun
  Yes you reading this. Even if you're white.
  Arm yourself.
  
  And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around
  
  Only if your white; blacks and browns will be gunned down even if they have a stick or nothing.
  
  The first people that die in a war are typically women and children. Usually because the competing militaries don't issue them guns.
- This is the correct approch. I can't stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are "12 citizen killed by ICE" then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don't let them put you in a ghetto, don't let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you're dead anyway.
- I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.
  This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.
  Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.
  
  This is the way, this is real shit. I too would go absolutely animal for my loved ones and myself, go berserk.
  
  Do it. Force the issue. Hang in the immigrant communities. Meet the people. Teach them what you would do, help them arm themselves and prepare. Then fight with everything you have. They're not coming for you specifically just yet, but it's only a matter of time.
- Yup.
  I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.
  But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.
- Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?
  
  Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren't trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it's a very different set of actions. No one's waiting to get dragged out.
- ie, your fucked, but at least you can murder people on your way out
  
  Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they're all cowards deep down.
  If enough of them die kicking in doors they'll stop.
  
  They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.
- i agree with you but if you're willing to die at that point, why wouldn't you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we've given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don't win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.
  
  The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that's publicly available online called ''simple sabotage'' I'd highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that's waterproof, there's a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I'm in a Drone building club at school, it's not related to this, but it's a lot of fun.
  
  Or by saying "when it happens to me or my family". How fucking self centered. That's what got you in this fucking mess.
- Well, thanks the Democrats for making it much harder to get a gun. But we "saved the kids" amirite?
  
  "much harder to buy a gun."
  Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.
  
  If you find it hard to purchase a gun in the US then I have to marvel at the fact that you manage to successfully navigate a belt buckle. My state doesn't even require concealed carry permits anymore. I can just go grab a gun, ammo, and walk around strapped with it hidden under my shirt.
  It's wild west out here dude where have you been?
  
  Pretty easy to get a gun unless you're a felon.
  Stop spreading misinformation.
  We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.
  
  There isn't a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I'd recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.
  
  Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.
  
  How is it hard to get a gun in America? What the fuck??? lmaooo

Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally -- a homegrown criminal.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
- In Minecraft.
  That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.

PP is talking about saying "Fuck You" to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And so it begins in Canada. Trump said exactly what he planned to do, and his followers were like, “I love this guy, he tells it like it is”. It is frightening that there are so many Canadians following this POS. 90,000,000 people didn’t vote in the US. Don’t be like them! VOTE VOTE VOTE 🇨🇦 ✊

I've been warning everyone, people won't fucking hear it. Disgusting.
- remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
  ….
  that sure was scary….
  i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
  “oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.
  …
  also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….
  it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
  people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.
  
  The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That's a legitimate training for them to get ...

Bring it you orange fuck.

I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
- You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
  Your dems didnt "help" make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
  You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
  
  I can ask the question to both.
  But if your only part in keeping fascism out of America is through voting- and you won’t even do that, you’re part of the problem that caused it.
  There is no other way this can be.

"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles"

He means the violent militia types.. right?

First this would never happen because of our laws second he did say that the people he would want to send to these kind of jails wouldbe top of the line criminals And it would cost substantially less to have these criminals in a jail there. Now I’m not saying it’s OK I think if you’re an American that committed a crime in America you should be in an American jail
- They are being paid to send people to a death camp, no one is intended to be released from the prison in El Salvador by their own admission. ICE has already sent people there who committed no crime.
  
  if Venezuela would take their own illegal immigrants these people would not be sitting in a jail in El Salvador. Second this jail has made the lives of many El Salvadorans safer. There is a reason why their president was voted in with I want to say 85% of the vote, Now I don’t agree that Americans should ever go to one of these jails if you’re an American that commits a crime in America you should serve your sentence here. But to call these places death camps it seems like you have sympathy for the rapist and murderers that do belong in this place. When this place was first built and they showed the criminals that they were putting in these jails the people of El Salvador were very happy mind you obviously they never expected to have Venezuelan immigrants in there. But what the jail originally stands for and why It was originally built was for a good purpose. I’m not seeing you directly but I’ve seen some people that were trying to compare CECOT to The holocaust which is absolutely insane because the people in this jail are violent people and the people that died in the holocaust were Innocent. And the thing is the last will never win another election again if they keep up with that type of mentality and bullshit mindset
- Due process is the way to prove you're a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
  If you don't stand up for the people around you, who is going to be left to help when they come for you?
  
  These people are illegal immigrants you act like they’re deporting American citizens. And I will state what I said earlier I don’t agree with them sending American citizens to foreign jails if you committed crime in America andyou’re American you should serve your sentence in America
- Dude. He's already breaking the laws by sending people directly to CECOT. He's ignoring court orders and the need to get an order of removal for people. They're arresting people just for speaking Spanish without having a passport on them, like that Puerto Rican family.
  If they're ignoring all the rules for people who can't pony up citizenship paperwork in time then there's nothing stopping them from quickly deporting a natural born citizen. Hell, anyone on the street without documents on their person is a valid target under the observed tactics.
  They are not being honest with you.
  
  County supervisor Juan Miguel Martinez said “ There has been NO CONFIRMATION that there was a Puerto Rican family picked up by ICE for speaking Spanish outside of Walmart, this story is FALSE. I have been working with Alders and orgs to verify this and nothing has been confirmed.
  Remember that when we spread misinformation, we are helping the people that want to destroy us. It isn't your fault though, misinformation has gotten so sophisticated it is hard to tell what is and is not real. Let's stay vigilant. Let's not freak out. Let's keep working.“
  Stop listening and believing things right on the spot, please do your research look into it. Because all you do with stuff like this is spread false information. As soon as I read what you said I looked into it and I couldn’t find nothing to verify it so you are spreading false information
  Seems like someone’s not being honest with you actually. I don’t base my opinion off of one thing that I see. I don’t see one new segment from a specific news channel and say yup that’s what I believe. It doesn’t matter if it’s right wing news or left-wing news or non-biased news If I see something I do deeper research into it and then I come to a conclusion. In this case the Puerto Ricans that supposedly got detained by ice for speaking in Spanish is a completely fabricated

Media keeps saying "criminal." Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.
- People forget that all the people the Nazi's put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.
  No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said "Yeah, I put innocent people in jail".
  This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.
  
  This is why we have separation of powers
  Had
  
  Oddly enough, Trump's DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can't get him back.
  
  Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we're in this mess now?
- Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.
  Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)
  Then, when the camps were liberated:
  The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, "Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons." Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.
  Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…

We've already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.
Now they're saying "violent US citizen-criminals" - but they run the state that determines whether you're a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops "Stop resisting!"; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that's what we're up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.
"First they came for ... "
- they're even inventing new language for it: "homegrowns"
  
  I think it's not new. "homegrown terrorist" -> "homegrowns".
  I'm speculating they're going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism (TM) to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it's as soon as the April 19th event.
- Also worth mentioning that they've only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn't have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They're not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, "criminal" means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you've already served time.
  Obviously, they're going to drop the "criminal" pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I'm terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.
  
  Literally just having a tattoo--even without having any criminal history--is enough to be sent to the gulag.
- They send Mario’s brother and that might be the spark.
  
  This is Lemmy, not Reddit. You can say Luigi Mangione. I'd say that would be my last straw but I've long since broken. I just don't have direction.

Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:
Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.

Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.
- i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you're both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.
  
  A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.
- And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!
  
  Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
  
  Look, Idk what I did to you, but I got more going on than just Lemmy. Sorry you dont see Sanctus out there IRL, you wont. I dont look like this.
  
  Lmao. This 🤡

My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we're heading?
- We're there. Be ready to fight when they come.
- Headed? No. We're there. If men in masks are telling you they're police and trying to stuff you in a van, that's it. You get cuffed. You're dead. Buy a gun while you can. Make your life cost a life preferably more. Don't let them put you in a camp or ghetto. Not a bad idea to go to a large gun shop in a state with next to no gun laws, find a person window shopping guns, strike up a conversation, and see if you can arrainge a third party sell. Then they don't know to be weary of you.
- It's a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.
  
  guns
- That's where you are I think.
  
  guns
- Heading? The early stages of the Holocaust we’re precisely that.
  
  guns

They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It's a prison that never fills up.
We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.
Buy a gun.
- they dont want him back, because it satiates the rabid racists/and evangelicals, its perfomative politics.
  
  If he came back he's gonna hurt Chump real bad with appearances on every news network (but Fox) and talk show detailing.his experience.

They won't stop unless someone makes them stop. That's how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it's only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.
- The cleanest way this can possibly end now is with the cult leader being removed....one way or another. Assuming the cult collapses afterward and doesn't just attach itself to some other scumfuck that immediately steps up to fill the void.
  
  Vance and Musk need to be taken out as well. I don't think MAGA would last long without a leader, but as stupid as WE think Vance/Musk are, remember we also see Trump as a lying con-man, and MAGA supporters rally around him.
  
  The optimistic side of me believes this can happen. MAGA has tied themselves and their movement very tightly to Trump. Not to conservatism in general, not to any kind of policy in specific, but to the unique personality of Trump. They tried with DeSantis, and he flamed out hard. They're trying with Vance, but he's such an awkward goof that it'll never work.
  I don't think the MAGA virus can survive in another host, and I think that's why they are trying to rush into full on Fascism while Trump is still around. Once he's gone, the Republican party is going to eat itself in the power vacuum.
- Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there's no stopping it.
  The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn't going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.
  Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.
  
  We don't have 28 years for things to boil over. Could you even imagine what would be left of the country by then?
  
  This is the outcome I hope for. The other possibilities are a lot more messy.
- when you put it like that
  I guess its a good thing the police havent been militarizing, and filling their roster full of violent trigger happy assholes who radicalized themselves into thinking they're the thin blue line between civilization and savagery,
  
  There should never and will never be a point at which the police and military actually have control over the American population. Our population is one of the most violent on earth. We birthed those psychotic police officers. We made them. There’s no reason for them to scare us more than anyone else does.
  They only pretend to have control. Anyone with half an iota of brainpower and understanding of numbers and revolt knows there’s only one thing to fear in this country and it’s the general population.
  
  Are you suggesting that people just lie down and take it?
- Yea, I have always thought about the future scenario. When they get tired of picking on the immigrant, they'll turn to citizens. Really crazy and scary thought to even have to consider.
- guns

If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I'm only joking a little.
- I started carrying again. "Feared for my life" will ring very true with real consequences.
  
  Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I'm daily carry now.
  -Gun toting democrat
- Hell, at this point if you're non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You're the enemy and a criminal if you've ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.
  
  To that I say: come at me assholes
  I'm a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.
- If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
  ~~I’m only joking a little.~~
  I'm pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who's doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don't think a stance on protecting one's self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.
- Would some sort of “Ruby Ridge” stand off be enough to get this to stop?
  
  It won't end until the US finishes southern reconstruction

If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.
- I feel as though now is the time to resist at all costs.
- Americans are pussies and don't understand what that means. they think screaming "please don't" is enough.
  so many are going to be sent to their deaths because they were civil about it for far too long.

This is unbelievable, I could be deported. Me and my Dad were born on a military base, but that will not matter or my Grandpa was a respected general. My name isn't English, tattoos, but I'm white and don't know Spanish. El Salvador will be a death sentence in more than one way.
Like I'm telling the few people I have and it's being downplayed, "that won't happen", " or "stay off the news and go have fun, you're stressing out". Like no, I'm gearing up for whatever comes, plan A to Z. I will NOT be torn away what I built for my family or my kids future.

The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can
- Um how? Who wants American Refugees?
  
  Some Americans already have dual citizenship and so have other options
  
  The highly-skilled, educated, and non-crazy ones of working age are actually great for other countries' economies. If you work at a gas station or are crazy, not so much.
- I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don't have a veto proof majority there).
  
  Can you put something in place for when things inevitably deteriorate?
  If I were you, I'd be applying for visas I think, or maybe just preparing a visa application if it's too costly to actually apply for one.
- lol I have no real skills to offer another country. I am dead.
  
  I am dead.
  Then arm yourself and do what you can.

Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin' yesterday.
Don't think that they won't come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.
- Was yesterday too late? I feel like one person having a gun hasn't been able to do anything meaningful with it for a long time. Except maybe defend themselves from a dumb home invader.
  
  The point is there are only so many ICE goons out there. If every person they tried to disappear took one of the bastards with them, this would end pretty damn quick.

This makes Bukele complicit in the crimes of the Trump administration, right? Isn't he worried about the repercussions when the rule of law is restored in the US?
He is illegally kidnapping and restraining US citizens.
- I agree with you, but he doesn't have any citizens YET. Abrego Garcia was a legal resident, not a citizen.
  The citizens will begin to be sent to these death camps soon.
- This makes Bukele complicit in the crimes of the Trump administration, right?
  The guy that proudly calls himself a dictator? Cooperating with the guy who said he would be "dictator for a day"?
  What an unexpected turn of events...
- No, he's not worried. And he has good reason not to be. He knows history. Obama didn't hold the Bush administration officials responsible for their crimes. In fact, he happily kept using many of those illegal powers himself. And Biden didn't hold the first Trump administration accountable for their crimes.
  Liberal Democrats have a core character flaw. They don't like confrontation. It's the same impulse that causes them to reflexively seek out compromise with Republicans at every turn. They have this narcissistic trait that makes them think they can achieve their place in history by being a grand peacemaker. They always seek reconciliation without accountability.
  I guarantee you, if another centrist Dem manages to win in 2028, their very first official act will be to come before the nation, try to be the grand peacemaker, and announce, "it is time for the nation to move on, all is forgiven!"
  They can't help themselves. They're cowards to their core.
- When? You mean after the UN liberation forces finally secure Pennsylvania Ave?
- Bukele doesn’t give a shit.
  Cut from the same cloth as Trump, Bolsanaro, Berlusconi, Orbán, Lukashenko…
- He better be, cuz if we ever get out of this we're fucking coming for him.
- He's perfectly safe. All he did was take a deal for money from the official US government. Another administration can cancel the deal, but no one will seek retribution from him.

I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.
- With the way things are going, that fuck would die peacefully in his sleep.
  
  He's already in hell. The fuck you think any of us are gonna do to him that he isn't constantly torturing himself with. If you want him to suffer, you should be happy. ish.
- No one mourns the wicked

I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.
- Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.

guns
- Guillotines
- FPV drones and energetics

Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!

Read up on Bukele, if you haven't already. Yet another tyrannical blueprint for Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele

if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction
- I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?
  
  Could start with you; Could start with me.
- Already looked at emigration. I'm sure doctors and scientists and researchers are leaving in droves, but for the average person it's quite difficult until there is some amnesty policy.
- We'll be the new East Germany.
  I wonder how long before states start considering secession again.
  
  The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don't view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.

I can't stress this enough, arm yourselves.
- form collectives where you can. establish secure forms of communication. engage online only to rally others. train.

The gays, the blacks, the Latinos, the homegrowns, anything to avoid words that humanize their targets. Conservatives are people no more and no less than those they target.
- That's a really good connection that people don't say out loud enough.

I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
- Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for "defacing a poster" if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he's in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
  
  Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
- 20k/year. TL;DR, it's also making the country poorer, so no financial benefits whatsoever. It's just pure spite and hatred...and for what?
  At least Nazis made soap from them, and made them work. At least they had the excuse of needing land, improving the species.
  Trump is just THEY BROWN, BROWN = CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL = EVIL!

checking all the dictator boxes

This is the audio with choppy video
https://files.catbox.moe/cz3erx.mov

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