Starmer told UK must repeal hate speech laws to protect LGBT+ people or lose Trump trade deal
‘Good chance’ of agreement, says JD Vance – but a source close to the administration says his concerns over Britain’s hate speech laws ‘are still a red line’
If a deal does not go through, it makes Labour look bad.
No it fucking doesnt. Not giving a fuck about US demands is the most popular thing you can do right now.
And also the correct thing, from any position of reason.
Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.
Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.
In happier times, we call the process "diplomacy," and mostly limit it to things that affect us, directly or indirectly.
But pressuring other countries to, for example, clean up their corruption so we can reliably do business with them is common. (Also hilariously hypocritical) Pressuring other countries to enact civil rights laws is fairly common, too.
I have to admit, seeing pressure to remove civil rights is unusual, at least from countries not named UAE.
What exactly do LGBT issues have to do with trade policy? Why is this on the table? Is there supposed to be some big gay conspiracy to devalue currency or something? It’s all so idiotic.
The cruelty is the point.
5: Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
12: Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
It's an attempt to normalize the fear/hate of LGBTQ+ people on an international level. As long as the administration continues to constantly press this issue, much like the "mere exposure" advertising effect, it doesn't matter if people believe it nor not, the more times people hear a thing, the more likely they are to adopt that belief or feeling, even to a tiny degree.
That tiny degree, when continually pressed, when continually exposed, over large populations, influences a large number of people.
As long as they have an enemy group they can pin their problems on, they will keep going and keep ramping up the atrocities until we see mass graves. Again. (Seriously, how many times do we have to see mass graves in our nations before we decide that our leadership needs to be thrown down a well.)
If you guys care, please don't just rant on Lemmy or other internet spaces. Go talk to your family members. Talk to your friends. If you don't have friends, GO MAKE FRIENDS. GO MAKE ENEMIES. Our anti-social, paranoid, self-absorbed internet shut-in culture is making all of this tragedy possible.
Guys, you HAVE to push through those terrifying feelings of engaging with strangers. You HAVE to get social again. We don't win this behind keyboards.
I'd guess that it's probably broader than LGBT issues, if they're taking --- and the article is not clear on this, and the source anonymous --- issue with hate speech laws in general.
Yeah they also told the UK they'd get a totally sweet trade deal if they did a Brexit, and that deal never materialized, did it?
Don't fall for their shit twice. That's America's problem - falling for it over and over again.
Where do you think they got it from?
The English are indeed the dumbest of all the humans on the earth, I'm hoping the UK has enough welsh and scottish influences that they can steer the ship away from calamity
Or they could tell Trump to go fuck himself.
I like that idea better.
The very Un-American US President Trump and his administration are trying to Americanise the rest of the world.
Fuck. Right. Off.
To "un-americanise" the rest of the world. Im still salty that some people genuinely think he's doing anything positive whatsoever.
"Americanize" is not something positive, that's the point.
“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”
did i warp into the onion without realizing?
Look at all that free speech the USA has, where people are being disappeared to an overseas concentration camp for saying genocide is wrong, or having the FBI investigate them for speaking critically about Trump, or imprisoned at the border for criticizing him online. Whereas in the UK, these days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you're English, don't you?
“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”
So he’s going to push this condition onto everyone that they deal with right? Saudi Arabia and Israel for example.
Israel is USA, and SA can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they pay up (i.e. produce oil, buy weapons, whatever).
This is the point of Trump dealing with the UK over the EU. They're more isolated since Brexit and therefore more easily intimidated.
Saudi Arabia and Israel both already have the type of freeze peach this fascist desires.
Putin needs Saudi Arabia to not start an oil price war, which Russia would loose.
The US support of Israel is making the US less popular around the world.
Since January. Very oniony, but not very funny.
Oniony in the sense that it makes me want to cry.
He's got work to do on his side considering he's basically ignoring the 1st Amendment and deporting political critics
Being in Scotland, it hurts to think how close we were to being able to avoid this shit
It hurts so much. I hope the people who voted no are looking at what's happening and thinking "oops" I was wrong. But that's not likely.
I don't like the hate speech laws because I think they can be abused to include far too much, however NO LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED IN THE UK IN THE PERSUIT OF TRADE WITH THIS CUNT.
He can fuck right off.
The USA needs The UK more right now than the UK needs the USA
Could you explain your perspective in a bit more detail? I can understand why the UK critically needs the US, as a very large and populous economy buying its goods -- could you tell me a little more about why the US so critically needs the UK? Is it something to do with access to European markets or something?
IMO, everyone in UK should be protesting and demanding to rejoin EU. Russia successfully was able to make UK withdraw through disinformation, and this only made UK weaker.
Remember Cambridge Analitica, most of whose money came from wealthy Americans?
Maybe they were or maybe they weren't in cahoots with Russia, but sure as hell it was the very same members of the American "elites" who supported Trump's rise who also bought Brexit.
Britain's careless openness to American influence makes it easy for Americans to play it like a fiddle.
Take a look at content of this book (published in 1997): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Content
It was unthinkable that brexit would happen back then. But a lot of things described happened, because Putin is following this plan.
War in 2022 kind of put things sideways, but now it's resuming with trump.
Those oligarchs have no loyalty to the countries they live in, they do whatever makes them richer. They are the most bribeable people.
Aaahhh the good ol American influence.
Previously bombed into your backyard, but now you have this fifteen year old with a beard and tears in his eyes feet stomping on the floor during his meltdown "I wahaaaanna insult the gaahaaaaaayyyyysss"
Onion headline: Trump accuses China of DEI practices for having too many Chinese workers
It's simply a power move to test out how submissive the UK government is
Destroying the transatlantic alliance is probably the main goal of putin's US regime.
Embolden the UK's right wing parties who are largely putinists or deliver yet another blow to transatlantic relations. Yet another example of trump delivering a win-win for putin that's a lose-lose for the US.
He wants to turn the whole world into a fascist dictatorship
Just once I'd like to hear a foreign country's avatar say "fuck yourself trump - right in your big shit smelling ass".
Capitalist nations do not care about their people.
They're all capitalist nations.
So, UK has to become a US colony for trade access?
For the promise of trade access.
The fucking jesus freaks are behind all the anti-diversity. They can fuck right off! What a sick fucking hate cult they are in.
What the fuck are you doing uk!?
“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,” the Washington source said.
Hmm. If that's correct, that's interesting. I wonder if similar criteria might apply to other countries to which he's talking on trade.
It looks like in the past few years, in the EU, there's been effort to require member states to prohibit hate speech. I'm not sure if that's gone through.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9086657/
Criminalising Hate Crime and Hate Speech at EU Level: Extending the List of Eurocrimes Under Article 83(1) TFEU
In September 2020, President von der Leyen announced the Commission’s intention to propose to extend the list of EU crimes or Eurocrimes to all forms of hate crime and hate speech, as later reflected in the Commission Work Programme 2021.
In the US, member states may not prohibit hate speech; hate speech is not a legal concept here, and speech that might be classified as hate speech elsewhere is protected under the First Amendment.
EDIT: Though there is a related concept in the US of a "hate crime". A crime's sentence --- and the crime itself cannot simply be engaging in speech --- may be elevated if done when the motivation is hate against some protected groups. That is, the First Amendment would prohibit any form of government ban on saying saying "transexuals are abhorrent". But it is permissible in the US to pass a law to punish someone who physically assaults a transexual person, not merely for their assault, but also for performing assault with a specific motivation, if that motivation can be shown to be that the victim was transexual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States
Hate crime laws in the United States are state and federal laws which are intended to protect people from hate crimes (also known as bias crimes). While state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, disability, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, and/or gender identity.
Forty-seven states and the District of Columbia have statutes criminalizing various types of bias-motivated violence or intimidation (the exceptions being Arkansas, South Carolina, and Wyoming).
How much of that effort to prohibit "hate" speech in the EU isn't just the Germans supporting the Zionist Regime by claiming that criticism of it and their actions is "hate speech" in very much the same way as the Trump Regime claims that criticism of his own regime's actions is hate and even terrorism, and trying to get it in place EU-wide using the EU institutions as a backdoor?
The EU isn't exactly immune to the subversion of Humanitarianism and Rule of Law coming from Fascist regimes, especially when one of its leading countries, Germany, is quickly sliding back to it's old ways, this time around under Zionist (an ethno-Fascist ideology, sames as the Nazis) puppet strings.
I'm definitely pro-EU, which is why I think we need to be very aware of the rotten apples we have in this basket and their attempts at spreading their rot.
I thought I was used to "WTF moments" when it came to America's sudden descent into madness, but here's one I wasn't prepared for. WTF?
What a useless fucking position for Trump to take. Pick your battles you orange buffoon. Gay folks can't hurt you, or won't. Just fix the economy.
Just fix the economy.
He can't. That trust is never coming back in my lifetime.
