Apple's called Android a "massive tracking device" in an internal presentation

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Apple is 100% correct. It's the entire reason Android exists.

Then again, Apple also does a fair bit of data collection. I hate that Apple has been able to market themselves as some kind of bastion of privacy. They aren't.

Yeah yeah, wake me up when you can unlock the bootloader on apple phones.

Is Apple trying to convince me that the Health app, Apple maps or Siri doesn't track me?

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One damn iPhone in my home network makes most calls home out of anything in my home network. I cn see it in AdGuard Home log.

Yeah, but Android doesn't make me constantly enter my password to do basic things. Also, Apple takes away a lot of control from their consumers.

I'll take the phone that isn't dumbed down tyvm

Buying or updating an app requires system-wide sign in

Only if one uses the official play store. Which apple does not understand, ofc.

Oh irony, thy name is Apple.

Pot, meet kettle

I used to sell apple gear at a reseller. They literally used to send messages to our customers for applecare.

The difference is that Apple simply uses the data for it's own benefit and competes against everyone (including people developing for their system)

They are not wrong

Google, the famous advertising company is using its hardware,software and infrastructure to watch everything we are doing?

I'm shocked.

"only when it provides a better customer service" Hahaha. That's so vague that it is completely meaningless.

Yes, but if you put graphene on a pixel it's miles beyond an iphone

They're not wrong. Its just they aren't the perfect solution

Clearly this was before Apple became one of the largest advertising companies.

Well, it's not like Apple doesn't also collect pretty hair-raising information on you. Go digging through some of the sqlite databases on your machine and you'll find eg. a social graph that even supports labels for things like political affiliations (I think this db was the one used by their ominously named "intelligence platform" service). Another db (which I think was for the knowledged daemon) has an incredibly detailed log of everything you do on your computer and phone, including eg. web URLs and millisecond granularity events on when you interact with your devices. Whether that social graph or all that other stuff ever leaves your devices is unknown (although eg. the knowledged stuff definitely does since I can see events for my phone on my laptop), but I wouldn't count on it not being sent to Apple – regardless of what they claim.

And yeah, sure, this is all to make "customer experience" better, but do you seriously believe that's all they will be used for?

Edit: and just as a side note, I'm not basing these claims on stuff I read online, but on actually having looked at the contents of those databases myself

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was this old (the google logo is the old one so i'm not sure) or was apple just uninformed?

you can have all sorts of multiple accounts in the control panel, mail and calendar all have on device log ons, you can update apps outside of the app store or use the google play store with your google account the same way you do with your apple account.

The difference is that Google is collecting everything, while Apple can collect everything.

Also, Android is not a "device".

Android and iOS are a massive tracking operating systems. Stick to deGoogled Android and Linux on mobile.

Lol at DoJ just releasing it, thanks I suppose.

Lol at Apple trying to wiggle its way into everything trying to fool people that they are privacy champs and everyone else using Android is a chump. I have no doubt in my mind that Apple has terabytes of data on every user. And Google maps can be used without signing in, making their argument a moot point

Closed source is always privacy invasive by default.

Don't forget our vehicles are also tracking us. Soon our Ai trainers will have enough data to guide us in their path and we'll love what they tell us we should do.

Says them.

Hypocrites!

The real question when it comes to privacy is how much you can modify the device and os to get rid of the tracking.

I use android and yeah, it is.

Does this also go for custom roms like GrapheneOS?

That's an old Google logo

Google+?

Apple has been donwgraded to an asswipe. Android != Android.