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13 Months

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13 Fridays the 13th
Jason would unionize if he had that many hours of work to do
- If the first was Monday as he describes, every 12th would be a Friday. There would be exactly zero Fridays on the 13th of any month.
  Every 13th would only be Friday if the first was on Sunday.
  
  Oh shit you're right.
  Then I think Jason should look into universal basic income cuz he's about to be out of his job.
  
  The first should be a Sunday. Then we can align with Stardew Valley time.

Yay for The Human Calculator Calendar. Boo for not crediting sources. A missed opportunity to replace Jesse's name with, "Scott."
Double boo for not explaining the extra day every year, not to mention leap year. (364 / 28 = 13.)
Final boo for conflating the real world ~29.5 day imprecise lunar month with the 28 day English common law lunar month.
- "not crediting sources"
  Anyone that's able to do math and that takes 30 seconds to look at our calendars can come up with the same reflection, nothing special with the "human calculator".
- "The simple idea of a 13-month perennial calendar has been around since at least the middle of the 18th century. Versions of the idea differ mainly on how the months are named, and the treatment of the extra day in leap year."
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
  
  treatment of the extra day in leap year
  Duh, that's the purge day.
  
  I had no clue. Thanks for letting me know. :)

Kodak used to operate on this 13 month calendar. When I asked someone who used to work there, she was shocked that I knew about it and said that it was the best thing about working there. The original plan that this calendar is based on called for a liminal day between years for New Year's Day with 2 days for leap years
- I work for a company which used to have 13 financial periods. It was great. Then they switched to 12 and we now have a couple of 5 week periods thrown in to balance the year out. I don't know why they decided that but it's not as good now.
  
  I'm surprised they successfully attempted that and that it resulted to be taken positively. It seems as every out-of-the-norm scheduling idea is so frowned upon that even in small companies you can steer them to anything but the same ole.
  I've used iso-weeks for this purpose. I don't really care for dates if I don't absolutely have to. It's nice to refer to "week 44 five years ago" in my journals. Truth be told, no one else around me uses the weeks and the only mention to it I've heard was not positive.
  
  13 period financial calendars don't break down into quarters that easily. One reporting quarter will always have an extra period.
  5-4-4 creates even quarters except it requires either one extra day every year or one extra week every five to six years. It's most beneficial for companies that either experience high seasonality or high consistency, such as retail and manufacturing.
  Most other companies just use calendar month since it's simple, easy to determine, and allows for rather consistent year-over-year comparison.
- Big Calendar would never allow for this. Imagine only ever having to buy one calendar!
  
  You don't need to buy more than (I think) 4 right now...
- There is a choice between having an extra day in the holiday season and counting up the extra days plus leap days, and inserting an extra week every several years
  Adding the extra day annoys people who value weeks continuing as they have since ancient times
  Using a leap week rule makes the calendar track the seasons a little worse. Solstices and equinoxes will move by about a week over several years

Every birthday you have, for your entire life, being on a Wednesday.
Sounds great.
- I got a Friday, not the best but I can work with in
- Mine would be on saturdays, but I haven't celebrated in years, so...
  
  Happy belated all the birthdays, have a cumulative party at some point!

How is no one in here talking about the International Fixed Calendar? It was exactly this, and Kodak used it for 60 years. It does work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
- Huh, so this + Human Era dating is now my new favorite calender (there's a sentence lol)
  
  I love human era! It aligns well in my human head when I think of human dates.

I don't wanna pay bills for another month
- Landlords salivating at the prospect of an entirely new way to increase rent almost 10% for every tenant
  
  As long as I get an extra payday without a decrease in payment, I’m good. I doubt that would be the case though.
  
  If anything an extra month just means more time for holiday pay, more time for accountants, and more time to waste in general
- But think of the possibilities. If you were born on the 31st, you'd stop aging.
- Watch out for places (like gyms) that bill biweekly instead of monthly. You may think it lines up with months, but over the course of a year you pay an additional 8.6% more.
  
  But, if you get paid biweekly and all of your bills are monthly, you basically get an extra paycheck each year.

Let’s make each month 73 days.
5 months. We can figure out a season for each one!
And pay less than half as much rent!
- Landlords thought process: Since 2 months was typically 60-61 days and that range is higher, we'll have to charge 3 payments for each monthly payment!

See also: Metric time.
10hrs in a day. 100min in a hour. 100 sec in a min.
- Hmn...
  You'd need to redefine the derived SI Units, or take new measurements for newly derived units. Newtons, joules, pascals, hertz, coulombs, watts, volts, ohms, farads, siemens, webers, teslas, henrys, becquerels, grays, sieverts, and katals.
  Also not to mention motion and heat.
  You could say there's a large amount of pressure to not change, or that it's a high "bar"...
  I hope you smiled, because that is one joke I will not be making again.
  
  You don't need to redefine any of them if you don't change the length of a second though, right? Because the SI unit for time is the second?
  As long as you just change the definition for non-SI units, sure kilometers or miles per hour changes, but that's not SI, so nobody cares.
- Though I like the idea a lot, 60 has the great advantage that you can devide it by 2,3,4,5 and 6 which is a very useful property... The real power move would be to use the 60-system for everything... Like the Babylonians did, or so I heared
  
  Base 12.
  
  Nah, base 12 number system with the same logic as metric. But it's probably too late to switch to a different number system.
  
  It's useful. But when was the last time you used it? You usually don't say a twelves or a third or a sixth of an hour, you say 5, 20 or 10 minutes. Half and quarter are available the same in decimal time.
  It's more a matter of habbit. You know what a second, a minute and an hour are because you had all your life to precisely learn it.
- But then we will change either seconds or days.
  
  If you take rhe same 24 hour day, and convert it to 10 metric hours, or mours, and split that to 100 metric minutes, or cenutes, and then 100 meconds, one cenute is 1.44 minutes, and one mecond is 0.86 seconds. The practical difference would be almost imperceptible. A mour would be significantly longer than an hour, 2.4 times, but you'd have the metric system attour disposal to break it into decimals.
  That's not to say we should switch, but it wouldn't be that different.
- Also 10 days in a week. And 3 weeks in a month. Still 12 months, and 5 free days at the end. I like free days.

Except that a lunar cycle is 29.5 days long.
The Jews recognized this and their calendar runs akin to it (https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html), but with 7 "leap months" occurring over the course of 19 years. Of course, then they fuck it up with extra or fewer days to keep certain holidays from falling on certain days of the week. You win some, you lose some.
- Guess the Jews win the Design the Most Convoluted Calendar contest.

Fuck it. No-one is this thread can seem to agree, so I'm making a unilateral declaration that from here on out, all units of time except for the second are abolished, and we just use unix time for everything. You have until 1699217619s to make the switch.
- you can omit the unit now
- We'll call it "Longpork's Law"

Two words: Seasonal regression
- So? I don't care if it's hot in December or not and presumably we can figure out a more sciency way to time crop planting. Not like the almanac is worth fuckall in a changing climate anyhow.
- 13 x 28 = 364
  Make New Years Day it's own thing, not counted in a month (or just make the new 13th month 29 days long), and continue tacking on leap days to the end of February using the currently established rules.
  The length of the year doesn't change and no seasonal regression. It has so many fewer exceptions than our current system that you'd wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar.
  
  you’d wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar
  Roman Empire politics...
  
  Nah, just have a double leap day every 4 years.
- That's when you add one or two days outside of any month - that was a legit proposal.
  
  So like leap days which we already have tacked on to the shortest month.

I've never been a fan of this idea, it doesn't go far enough and further makes things less symmetric/divisible. I say we use 6-day weeks, 5 weeks per month, 12 months per year, and an inter-calary holiday week of 5-6 days. A six day week means 4 days working, 2 days rest, and that can be staggered more easily/equitably assuming work needs full coverage in a week. We start the new year on the Spring Equinox because it's generally more pleasant.
For bonus points, we switch to base-12 (or dozenal) in our numbering system because after the transition it's a much easier system to deal with as far as division and multiplication is concerned (e.g. 1/4 would be .3 instead of .25, 1/3 is .4 instead of .333..., 1/2 is .6, etc.).

Smarch of course
- Lousy Smarch weather.
- Febtober gang

What would we call the 13th month?
sorry guys, this had apparently been decided already
- Brian
  
  Right between April and May with the other months that are also names
- Smarch, naturally.
  
  I just dread the weather.
  
  Lousy Smarch weather!
- Who cares? Right now the 10th month is named after the number 8.
  
  And September isn't even the 7th month anymore, time to modernize
- Gormanuary
  https://youtu.be/vunESk53r5U?feature=shared
  
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  https://piped.video/vunESk53r5U?feature=shared
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- Funuary.
- Eleventer but in latin of course

I like this one:
Dekatrian Calendar (translated to english)
Calendário Dekatrian (original)

Octember it will be after October. The names will be just as incorrect as they have been for way too long but if anyone wanted the names and order to correspond to their own meaning it would have been fixed by now.
- If we change the number of months, the names of the off-by-two months (September through December) are getting fixed too. It's better to fix all of the technical debt at the same time.
  
  Found the software engineer
- at the risk of sounding like a weirdo, does anyone else remember a book called the First of Octember? it was written and illustrated as though it was a Dr Suess story, but apparbely it wasnt
  
  Not personally but I have heard a friend mention it and another deny it's existence. I wonder if it might be one of those Bernstein/berenstain bears things. Or as I like to call it, the choice of Berensteins gate.

What was the original idea of our calendar? And did every month have 8 weeks or so? Were weeks longer?
- There were ten months. Notice that September, October, November, and December all start with number prefixes ending at 10?
  Well a few Roman bad boys decided to insert themselves in the middle of the year (July and August) and blew that idea to shit and we've never adjusted since.
  
  And the reason for only 10 months before that - the earlier Romans didn't even bother to keep count during the winter. From the end of December it was just 'i dunno?' until the head priest decided it was time for a new year.

Pretty sure this is what the Mayans used.
- Really? I don't see it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

I adore this shit lol

Jesse, what the hell are you talking about??
Before we get too crazy, let's consider for a second the importance of 12 in units of measure. It shows up in time: minute, second, length (imperial ft), and I'm sure many other places.
The benefit is it's evenly divisible by 2, 3, and 4. How would we define seasons with 13 months?
- Base twelve only because Babylonians.
  
  I mean, it was a pretty good idea. The only reason we happen to be so 10 centric is because that's how we happened to evolve our manipulators.

And we dont have to worry about the lousy Smarch weather.
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  lousy Smarch weather
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

What would we call the 13th month?
- Monthy McMonthface
- Elevenber
  
  Twelvemper
- Since the 12th month is December, a 13th month should obviously be called Undecember (the undec- prefix meaning 11 in Latin).
  Better yet, just stick the new month in the middle of the calendar, but don't rename the months that have numbers in their name. It already worked once (thanks, Romans).
  
  Why not just use Tredecember since it the thirteenth month the twelfth month can become Duodecember and not december.
- Triskaidekatember
- What about another month after May called Maytoo?
- Jessember
- Hendecember. We could also move Easter and Xmas to both be in that month.
- Why not Eightuary, let's keep the trend of bad naming going!
- After the revolution, the French came up with some poetic and meaningful (if you live north of the Tropic of Cancer) names for months. We could use those.

Huh am I missing something?
13 x 28 = 364 but a year has 365,2425 days
- The new year day is a transition day and is not in the calendar, but rather in between years
  https://theperihelioneffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Ce57evjXEAAKE1h-1024x849.jpg
  
  Hm i don't really see a good point for this. It's not too hard to use a calendar compared to the effort it would take the world to switch.
  
  Now rip to people who have birthdays on weekdays because that will never change. People who have birthdays on weekends would hugely luck out.
- There would be a leap day every year, and two every four years.
  
  Aka New Years Day!

I've definitely thought about this.

Is it true though?
- I mean, for the most part. You would have 13 months of 28 days with 1 leftover. Make that one new year or something. Leap years would just have another straggler day, lump that in with new year I guess.
  The moon thing is wrong though. The moon does not operate on a 28 day cycle.
  As for Monday being the 1st and Sunday the 28th, that wouldn't matter at all. Any day could be the start of the month.
- 364/28 = 13
  The Human Calculator Calendar by Scott Flansburg: https://calendars.fandom.com/wiki/Human_Calculator_Calendar
  As thewitchslayer says, the lunar month has 29.5 days. English common law has a "lunar month" which is 28 days though.

Lousy Smarch weather.

lo hicieron asi para que no les hagan la rima, solo es eso

Bro forgot to account for Earth's precession

10 months. Odd months have 37 days, even months have 36.

Good old metric.

Every leap year would fuck it all up. Next!

Starting the week on a Monday is psych warfare on the working class and pretty fucked up to begin with. Starting it on Sunday was the Church's idea... Start every week for the future of humanity on a Saturday and get your dessert first.
- Weeks don't really have first and end days. It's just how you arrange a calendar. Case in point, I view weeks as beginning on Monday but prefer the layout with Sunday on the left.
  
  Downvote all you want. The global default "work" week starts on Monday, and 99.99% of every modern calendar shows Sunday in the leftmost column of every single month. Read a damn book, kids.

I’m on board, but I’m not sure I can use a calendar that doesn’t put Sunday as the first day of the week.

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