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[Rant] I swear to fucking god. Windows is harder to use than Linux. Have any of you ever USED Windows lately? Holy fuck.

I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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  • it feels like i'm still in /g/ with these types of posts

    you went on a tirade about "windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best" without giving us any relevant information to help you with your "issue", other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should've told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.

    also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows "just works". it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it's that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you're fucking up

    • This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.

    • I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows "just works" right up until it doesn't.

      What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.

      Not implying that programs on Linux don't also just randomly shit themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.

    1. It's not just P2W games that don't have anticheat support, id keep windows for warzone alone but there are a few more that don't work with proton because of anticheat software. Unfortunately mostly the games I play.
    2. How the fuck are you having this much trouble? I mean there's some really easy distros out there like Nobara but if you can install Arch how the fuck have you failed to install windows? Just make a windows 10 bootable and follow the on screen instructions until you're in the desktop.
  • Yes, it's bad

    If you're on the happy path all is well. The smoothest shit ever. If you turn onto the unhappy path.. oh boy. Helpful logs? Useful community posts from SMEs? Meh no. Best I can do is a plate of irrelevant copy-pasta on a malware-ridden site, SEOd to the top.

  • It's about familiarity. I didn't know how to install drivers on Windows. I searched and didn't see anything in the settings about firmware updates. I was stumped.

    My friend comes over and tells me I have to go to the manufacturer website to download drivers and it was like going back in time.

  • I know this is a Linux /c/ but maybe youre just not educated in windows is all. I use Mac windows and Linux and can play games on them all. I don't find any of them hard to use but again I make it a point to use them all so I don't ever have to be apart of the communitys that hate one or the other. I like them all it's fun.

  • Avoiding expressions like "fucking god", "fucking fuck", "fucking bullshit", would help your argument.

    While I agree with the premise, that Windows is indeed more untidy, clunky and counterintuitive than GNOME and KDE Plasma, still it is not harder to install.

  • Oh, totally. I've lost count of the times I've helped folks with their computers and most of their problems seem to be from using Windows: "I'm confused about antivirus," "I keep forgetting to check on updates for the program I use so much," "I'm unsure if I'm on the correct site to download an exe file from," "I keep getting ads in my taskbar," "I was going to find a different browser to use but my computer dissuaded me from doing so," and on and on, and I just think "If only you'd simply try Linux."

    • For the 'average' user you're suggesting to be helping none of these are remotely difficult to address..

      "I'm confused about antivirus," Windows handles it

      "I keep forgetting to check on updates for the program I use so much," The apps you use will ask to update when you use them

      "I'm unsure if I'm on the correct site to download an exe file from," The website for the application

      "I keep getting ads in my taskbar," Disabled in literally 3 seconds at install and never think about it again (yeah it's dumb it happens at all, fine)

      "I was going to find a different browser to use but my computer dissuaded me from doing so," getfirefox.com. install & run. Click set default browser when it pops up.

      If you can't answer a simple one sentence answer to an easy question I don't think it's Windows fault. I say this as somehow who has helped tech illiterate people of all sorts on Windows, Linux, and Unix systems over the past 25+ years.

      • Oh, trust me, it's the fault of Windows. It's garbage. Linux all the way.

        I too have taught tech, to a lot of older people, and with substantial success. And I try to emphasise that "there are no stupid questions" - and that their concerns must be listened to, and understood.

        It can be very disheartening to hear these very valid concerns just because they're using an overpriced piece of unethical garbage spyware as an operating system. All of these questions can also be answered with "Use Linux instead." Indeed, a colleague of mine literally emphasises that the only reason she retains access to Windows at all is because our learners are using it still (and she plans to use Linux 100% of the time upon retirement).

        Because telling such users that "Windows handles it" with Defender or whatever often doesn't cut it when they've been sold antivirus all their lives and have family and friends tell them they must spend (even more unnecessary) money on "top-notch" anti-virus software. I'd rather say "Linux handles it" than "Let Micro$oft handle it."

        Telling them all programmes will make it clear when an update is available is much more daunting for them when they barely trust and/or understand a lot of notifications they get anyway, when they could literally be using a Linux software centre that resembles what they use on their smartphones.

        Simply informing them that - rather than said software centre - they need to go to the website for the programme to download an exe file, is unhelpful when they do a search for a programme to use and get different search results.

        I wish it took them 3 seconds to disable disgusting ads in their taskbar that they never asked for on their operating system and lends nothing to their user experience, but sadly it takes them much longer, assuming they do of course remember how to do it since last time, seeing as this trash seems to reappear.

        Telling them which browser to use without first explaining browsers and enabling them to make informed decisions is, in my view, morally questionable. And yet speaking of which, Micro$oft apps frequently do just that.

        And what else I've realised? If we teach so that people can make informed decisions, with patience, in plain language, Linux will have a larger user base.

        Because people, at their core, are good. Digital capitalism doesn't sit well with people. They distrust these big data-gathering, closed-source, greedy corporations.

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