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Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"

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Finance minister declaring military action to genocide a neighboring nation.
Got it.
- This region hasn't seen peace since Jesus left the chat.
  
  That's colonial propaganda. The Middle East had had more than half a millennium of peace under Ottoman rule before European colonization.
Smotrich also called for starving the Palestinians in Gaza.
Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich implies he believes that blocking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip is “justified and moral” even if it causes 2 million civilians to die of hunger, adding however that the international community won’t allow this to happen.
“We are bringing in aid because there is no choice,” Smotrich says at a conference in Yad Binyamin hosted by the Israel Hayom outlet. “We can’t, in the current global reality, manage a war. Nobody will let us cause 2 million civilians to die of hunger even though it might be justified and moral until our hostages are returned. Humanitarian in exchange for humanitarian is morally justified, but what can we do? We live today in a certain reality, we need international legitimacy for this war.”
I honestly don't understand how Israeli society expects people to interpret this sort of rhetoric and not come to the conclusion that Israel is a genocidal state.
Is there anyone pro-Israel reading this post that can provide an explanation? Is the argument that Smotrich and Netanyahu aren't representative of Israeli society?
I almost feel like I am missing something. I am genuinely curious. I don't understand what's going on. Is this just bad faith arguments or do the Israeli supremacists not considering this to be genocide because of reasons?
- I don't think you will get a good faith answer so I will try to help. I don't support what Israel is doing, but I am technically "Pro-Israel" because I believe in a two state solution. This means I am also very Pro-Palestine, just to be clear and we should be celebrating a Palestine independence day in 2025 with no excuse for why we shouldn't be.
  The explanation for the behavior and defense of Genocide is simple: willful ignorance due to unwavering support brought on by a massive propaganda campaign both locally and globally. It is very easy to fall for that sides rhetoric because of how complicated the history of the area is, and to be frank, most people aren't intelligent enough to get into the conversation but do it anyways without a single fact to back up their arguments.
  What is happening is no different than Russia, US, China, North Korea and the like. The majority in those populations follow the leader, allowing those leaders to commit atrocities.
  The Likud party doesn't expect anyone to interpret that rhetoric as anything else but what it is. At this point they are fully backed by the US in what they are doing and no longer give a fuck about global support because they don't need it.
  There is no good faith argument to support Israel actions, and anyone arguing for the Likud party is always on the wrong side. It will always be bad faith and in support of monsters.
  
  I am not going to discuss US and I don't speak Chinese/Korean, but I can comment on russia.
  In russia, it's not a "follow the leader" issue. Putin is symptom, not a cause. Russians in general believe themselves to be superior to the citizens of their former colonies and think they have the right to dominate them and destroy their culture. It is bottom up support for genocidal imperialism (there is wealth of research, both quantitative and qualitative, across multiple decades, using many different methodologies, that aligns with this statement).
  I have seen many somewhat moderate pro-Israeli claim (online) that Netanyahu et al. aren't representative of Israeli; is this a common view among moderate Israeli nationalists?
  The russians "opposition" claims that it's only putin, 1 or 2 oligarchs and Vanya the cow that are root of all problems. This is clearly bullshit, but that's not what I am talking about. The argument has a measure of coherence in context of the aims and attitudes of the russian opposition (even if it is false).
  What is the argument of moderate Israeli nationalists who don't align with Netanyahu, Smotrich et al?
  I guess I am trying to understand how Smotrich's statement are framed by Israeli who maybe support a more aggressive posture towards Palestinians, but aren't all in with Netanyahu and Smotrich. How do they expect observers to react towards to their country? Or do they explain this by claiming that everyone is antisemitic (be it in good faith or not)?
- Is this just bad faith arguments or do the Israeli supremacists not considering this to be genocide because of reasons?
  They don't care. Think of how to Turkish nationalists the Armenian genocide didn't happen and the Armenians deserved it or how neo-Nazis deny the Holocaust yet want to repeat it; the arguments and logic all form around a core of hate and disdain for human life.

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