It's true though. Your tankie LARP isn't convincing anyone.

We both know that this is easy to validate. Furthermore, you know it is true, but you keep lying.

I also think you are lying about your concern regarding Gaza. It's more of an aesthetic for you. You will happily condone atrocities and white-wash genocidal imperialism when it suits your tankie LARP. It would be like me claiming that "Israel is complying with a legal and moral rules during its security operation in Gaza" Just in case you forget what you are LARPing about, I don't believe this.

Now cite your sources showing 80% US support for the annexation of Basra, banning Islam, Arabic and forcing muslims to eat pork chops. You did claim the actions of US and russia are comparable, didn't you?

And what do they say? And which exact Church are they refering to?

Some people still celebrate on the 7th, most have switched to the 25th. The switch to the 25th seems irreversible, at least on territories that are not under occupation.

Christmas celebrations still have a much more secular character relative to say the US.

They still mostly celebrate orthodox Christmas despite this change

How do you know this? Do you speak Ukrainian? Have you ever been to Ukraine?

Keep in mind that I live in Ukraine.

Not to mention an immediate sanction of all EU companies working with russia (Austria's Raiffeisen bank has been "getting out" of russia for almost 3 years now).

Hamas did kill a lot of civilians on october 7th. This does not in any way justify the statements by Smotrich.

I stand by statement that Smotrich's statement has a very "russian" quality to it.

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it. I genuinely mean it.

What is happening in Palestine is genocide. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't agree with this. My somewhat aloof statements are because I don't speak Arabic or Hebrew and I've never been to Israel/Palestine. But yes, Israeli actions are colonialist and genocidal (both current actions and the broader historical context). You don't need to speak Arabic or Hebrew to see this.

FWIW, I think Zelenskyy has a much more negative attitude of Netanyahu specifically and Israel's policies than his statements would lead you to believe. We don't have any other options because we are critically dependent on aid from US and EU. Ukraine has provided aid to Gaza and Zelenskyy has made (subtle) public statements that suggest thinking beyond a simplistic pro-Israel approach.

Palestinian leadership has definitely been pro-russia in their statements. It was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. That being said, I don't hold it against them (as in my OP, I lean toward the Palestiniain side) as they don't really have any choice.

Most probably just see the Israel Arab conflict as another wing of the same global war that Ukraine is involved in. to Kyiv, Israel is fighting against an amalgamation of terrorist groups and states that are all allied with the aggressor Russia, and some of them are directley aiding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine Iran.

This is actually somewhat close to the Ukrainian public's perception of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Well, the part of the public that follows what's going, most people have more pressing concerns.

Thus, when you’re being sold out and stabbed in the back every day, you have to resort to ruthless pragmatism, you can be Pro Ukraine, and Anti-Israel, but you should also recognize that the side fighting against Israel, is also fighting against Ukraine.

I personally have a skeptical view of the Israeli government and I don't think there is anything Ukraine can do with respect to gaining Israeli support (although I understand and even support the "PR needs" with respect to the US). I get the impression the Netanyahu government is basically a corrupt, oligarch-run ethno-supremacist movement. And the statement by Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich:

“No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”

Sounds very russian to me.

While whataboutism is pretty common when discussing russia. The actions of russia and the US are not comparable.

It would be like if the US annexed Basra Governorate. Stole all the children to US mainland (and sent them to re-education camps). Sent any Iraqi in Basra caught speaking Arabic into a torture camp. Banned Islam and forced everyone to convert to protestant Christianity. And on top of that forced all Iraqis in annexed Basra to eat Tex-Mex style pork chops.

His statement is not aimed at putin or the russians.

If anything it is aimed at "not all russians" types in the west.

You don't though. You have zero knowledge about Zelensky beyond some high-level english language news articles. You don't even speak Ukrainian. You've never lived in Ukraine.

You are acting in bad faith. Contrarianism for contrarianism's sake. You are harming the Palestinian cause with your attitude. That's why I said you don't actually care and you're just doing this for theatrics.

Yeah, the multiple loyalties thing is complete BS.

If that was the case Zelensky would have evacuated to Lviv as per American recommendations. He is clearly not a person to give up.

And I didn't even vote for him in 2019 (wasn't a big fan of his opponent, but there were other issues at play).

This is complete speculation on my part, but I think there is a internal component to Trump's actions.

There was that US comedy show that portrayed Trump as a toddler who was sent to the child's table by his former adviser. Trump then fired the adviser.

I am just pointing out that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Your polemics don't really make any sense (if you actually follow official gov relationships between Ukraine and Israel) and you don't even understand the basics of Ukrainian attitudes towards Israel/Palestine.

So why the fuck are you talking about this with such fake confidence?

I believe he made a statement about converting to Orthodox Christianity. I personally think this was a political move.

To be honest, I don't think he believes in the religious polemics of Judaism or Ukrainian Orthodox Christianity.

I am talking about the detailed religious polemics. Theological axioms. I am an atheist, but I support the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, smaller (pro-Ukrainian) Christian denominations and Crimean Tartar muslim organizations. I would even go as far as saying the government should support them with tax money.

A counter argument to the article.

I have minimal knowledge of IStories. I have heard about them, but never really read their articles.

I respect Marokhovskaya, but I disagree with her overall approach. Marokhovskaya claims that:

“They’re poisoning Russians,” she said, explaining how she views Kremlin propaganda. “Information in our world is one of the most important things, and I am completely against manipulating people’s minds.”

On what basis is the poisoning theory true? Where is manipulation? Sure, government run media spreads lies, but it's not like the vast majority of the population doesn't know this. And they have had access to fully uncensored youtube channels with russian language content (from both organizations in russia and reputable foreign media organizations) since ~2010.

Later in the article the head of IStories the video (YT?) department states:

“We don’t say to them that you’re idiots, that you’re war criminals,” Artem said. “We just present real life in Russia as it is. We’re talking to real people. We’re talking about their problems. We’re always trying to find something that’s interesting to just ordinary people.”

1.1 million russian men have been directly involved in the invasion of Ukraine. Around 1.5 million "civilians" have partaken in russia's occupation of Ukrainian territories. The vast majority of the russian population are genuine supporters of genocidal imperialism.

And I recognize that an organization like IStories has an incentive to downplay the genuine universal support for genocidal imperialism among russian population. But look at it from a practical point of view. What has the russian opposition (and organizations like IStories) achieved in the last ~15? Nothing! They are a complete failure. Coddling the russians' genocidal imperialist mindset clearly bring no results. So perhaps it is worth considering other approaches?

It has. In my family we celebrate Christmas as a secular family event. But we now meet up on the December 25th not on Jan 7th.

I am just pointing out that you have a sophomoric if not outright childish attitude in this thread.

You're basically LARPing. If anything the Ukrainian government (privately) has a more negative attitude towards Israel than the public at large (and even with respect to the Ukrainian public, there arguably has been a change over time).

You don't speak Ukrainian, you've never lived in Ukraine. You have no understanding of Ukrainian attitudes around what's going in Israel/Palestine.

And to be honest, it is reasonable to assume you don't really care about the plight of the Palestinians. It's mostly a theatrical thing for you.

The irony of your approach throughout this thread is that the Palestinians support russian genocidal imperialism.

I say this as a Ukrainian who leans towards the Palestinian side.

EDIT: In retrospective, it was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. A fairer approach would be to say that Palestinian leadership has generally espoused pro-russian statements, but they likely didn't have much choice.