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What are you most basic principles for life?

So, I've been chatting with my buddies lately, and it's turned into a bunch of debates about right and wrong. I think I have a pretty solid moral compass, I'm not bragging haha, but most people I know can't really explain why something's right or wrong without getting all circular or contradicting themselves.

So, how do you figure out what to do? No judgment, just curious. I'll share my thoughts below.

Thanks!

Edit: Oh, all you lil' philosophers have brought me a cornicopia of thoughts and ideas. I'm going to take my time responding, I'm like Treebeard, never wanna be hasty.

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  • My ethos boils down to…

    1. The Golden Rule: Your rights end where other’s rights begin, and vice versa. 
    2. Natural Rights: Any action or inaction, thought, or word, spoken or written, that does not cross the line of the Golden Rule is a natural right.
    3. Ethics: All ethics are founded upon, and entirely dependent upon, points 1 & 2.
    4. Morality Is Unethical: Morality, allowing for arbitrary precepts, is inherently unethical. 
    5. Effort: Strive to live ethically.
    6. Inaction is Action: Inaction is, itself, an action. If your inaction results (even indirectly) in someone’s natural rights being infringed, your inaction is unethical.
    7. Consideration: Actions often have cascading, indirect consequences, and you bear full responsibility for them. Therefore, failure to consider the indirect consequences of your (in)actions is also unethical.
    8. Graciousness: Treat others the way they wish to be treated. Recognize the dividends that gracious behavior has on preserving the natural rights of both yourself and others.
    9. Defend the Social Contract: Ethical behavior is a contract between individuals. Aggressors and instigators who violate that contract are not subject to its protections. As such, adherents are obliged to defend both themselves and others from such infringements to preserve the greater social stability.
    10. Imperfection: Acknowledge that no body, no thing, and no system is perfect. Not you, not others, not nature, not these precepts. Mistakes are inevitable, it is the effort and intention that matters. Accept and treasure imperfection, and be faithful to the spirit rather than the letter.
  • Most other animals develop rapidly from birth to self sufficiency, while humans are born so very unfinished - totally dependent on others for our most basic needs, for years and years. If any values can be said to resonate with "human nature", it's prosocial and community-building values.

    Just about every major religion glorifies some version of The Golden Rule - do unto others as ye would be done by.

    • Yep, that all tracks for me, is there anything underneath the golden rule, a more base rule, if you will.

      Like what about people who have different lines over what would trigger a physical response to hostility? One guy might only respond to direct physical attacks, and another will respond to verbal threats of physical attacks. Who's right?

      • I don't think you can boil it down further, and that's why Western law is an evolving patchwork of codes and penalties that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Too many nuances, situational factors, edge cases and value priorities that vary from persn to person (and culture to culture) to decide every imaginable scenario consistently.

        If you're not familiar, you might gain some perspective from a summary read about Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems. Goedel's Proof deals with systems of logic, where logic is something we hope for in systems of law. Goedel's Proof shows that a "sufficiently powerful" system of logic is necessarily incomplete - that is, we can pose problems in mathematical-systemic terms that have no solutions under that system.

        In mathematical logic we have "axioms" like "1+1=2" or "a triangle is a plane figure defined by exactly 3 lines". In law, axiom-like propositions are called "maxims", often stated in Latin, and convey foundational legal principles like "contracts must be honored", or "people can own things". In a hypothetical properly Communist society, and by "proper" I mean to exclude failed would-be Communisms like the USSR or PRC, "people can own things" isn't necessarily a maxim; they might instead have a maxim that codifies "things belong to the State" and exclude any notion of individual ownership.

        The implication for legal systems is that there are inevitably legal disputes that can't be decided strictly by the letter of the law, so we have to fall back on fiat of judicial opinion.

      • I think you might be approaching this in the wrong way. There is no objective right or wrong when it comes to ethics. Life and humans are simply too complex to create simple, objective rules that would be interpreted in exactly the same way by a decent number of humans for a reasonably complex situation. And you don't even have to include ethical dilemmas for that, like deciding whether to shoot down a plane hijacked by terrorists or interrogating a kidnapper via torture.

        Nonetheless, many homogeneous groups get to a decent degree of ethical alignment, and asking people for their ethical rules or guidelines is an interesting question to get inspiration and to find out how others try to navigate the complexity of the world. Just don't expect these rules to be objective.

  • Learn the difference between a necessary risk and an unnecessary one, and whenever possible, decide with intent when to deploy the latter.

    Other than that, leave things better than you found them. That goes a long way.

  • Try to make life better for yourself and for everyone else. Try to have compassion for everyone. You don't have to agree with them or support what they do, but treat them as having worth.

  • Stoic and Buddhist philosophy. No religious metaphysical stuff like gods, spirits or reincarnation.

    On a basic level be kind and accept impermanence.

  • Do what you think is right, but spend some time considering if it's right or not first.

    Recognizing when you're not considering and just going by intuition or emotional response would probably already put you ahead of most of us.

    Empathy seems to be necessary (but I'm not sure if sufficient) for logical moral consideration because you cannot justify your position if you purposefully ignore another's, and considering someone else's perspective without prejudice is empathy.

  • Don't attract too much attention to yourself and you can get way with a lot of shit.

    1. Human rights as a consensual starting pooint of what is good.
    2. Rational skepticism, ranking knowledge/belief based on the proximity to an international scientific consensus.
    3. Expressing my opinions and questioning others opinions in a polite and nuanced way that allows civilized discussion. It increases the chance of common progress rather than strengthening tribal bubbles.
  • Dont break the weekend safety brief.

    • Do not add to the population
    • Do not subtract from the population
    • Do not end up in the newspaper, hospital or jail. -- If you do end up in jail, establish dominance quickly.

    Obviosuly this a a comedic response but it covers most of the bases.

  • Hmm...let's put this in perspective. We live in a tiny dot flying around a cosmic sized flushing toilet bowl that is it self flying around a larger flushing toilet bowl... Both have centers that either melt everything and or stretch it til the atoms break apart...or both. We are direct descendants of life forms...not animals perhaps but life forms who appeared from random motion and electric volts and radiation in and around a primordial mix of random liquid shit. And we are the 1 second before midnight if the entire earth had been around for an entire day. In short we are nothing. Who cares if some guy wants tariffs on China while raping someone during a celebration for a new pope. However...if you lived here, your entire puny life trapped inside a calcium basket full of your own meat and guts with 8 other billion people in the same conditions, I would much rather it be a happy blip than a blip filled with and torture. And lots and lots of sex. If you're 21, my recommendation as a working professional who designs and builds really freaking cool gadgets is to go find someone to fuck pronto. And fuck. A lot. Use protection, don't have kids unless you want to. But just make love day and night. Once you turn 35 make some goals for the rest of your blip. Then spend the rest of your blip. Thru all, make your self happy and make others happy. Just help each other. It serves no one if you live the tiny puny piece of time pissed off and you piss off others.

  • Some of my moral principles

    • Treat others how you think they would want to be treated, but not at all costs.
    • You don't have to like everyone, and not everyone has to like you. Although, being liked by others generally leads to having a better life.
    • Avoid lying or "distorting the truth". But, sometimes lying is necessary, like to keep a friend's secret.

    Some of my existential thoughts

    • There are no permanent consequences other than death (I do not believe in an afterlife, although I find the concept interesting). There are no rules to follow, just temporary consequences you may have to deal with. You can make up your own rules and follow them, or not follow them.
    • Perception is just a tool used by your brain (a small part of the universe) to process the chaos that is the universe. A similar universe could be described by a very complex particle simulation. That's really cool.
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