Another One Of Trump’s Attorneys Seemingly Admitted (Twice) That His Client Committed A Crime

Wow, I thought it was going to be some sort of slip-up, but no. They just straight up admit he obstructed the election. They're not even coy about it.

He really does know the best people.

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This is the textbook play. If you can’t obfuscate that it happened, you brazenly embrace it as though there is nothing wrong with it.

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- But that doesn't work in court, only in the media.
  
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- The narcissist’s prayer
  
  That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
  
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He really does know the best people.

All the best people probably told him he has no case so he found some incompetent whackos who will argue whatever he wants them to.

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Have you considered fact that 50% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population? Aka niggers?

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- Well this is an easy block. Fuck off racist.
  
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- T_D leaking again after all these years?
  
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- Can you give us a link to back up those numbers?
  
  Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
  
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The mere fact he's still likely to win the next election is such an embarassment. I'm not American but it's genuinely worrying if you're European too. You just know he'll cave to Russia within days of being elected.

If you're Ukrainian it's horrible. Putin has no motive to stop the war till after the election. If Trump wins, he'll do his best to fuck over Ukraine and help Putin.

And I know there's a sizeable amount of Trump supporters in Taiwan and Trump likes to go on about being tough on China, but given Trump admires Xi, those in power have got to be worried about the prospect of a second Trump term too.

On the plus side, I hope that Europe has finally realized we can't rely on the US, and need to rebuild our defense industry. Obviously, that doesn't necessarily serve US interests, as we may be forced to side with China on certain issues against a beligerent US administration.

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Where are you getting this "fact that he's likely to win" ? He didn't win the last one and he's worse off this time. Also there are loads of new voters who are finally old enough to vote that are sick of all the anti-abortion anti-LGBTQ stuff the right has been pushing the last 4 years. If you regurgitate that rhetoric it's more likely to happen.

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- Aggregated polling data:
  
  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/
  
  Trump is invariably within the margin of error. Add a bit of election interference, a third candidate to siphon votes, some gerry mandering, a bit of help from a partisan supreme court, ...
  
  If you regurgitate that rhetoric it’s more likely to happen.
  
  I have a related degree.
  
  An important way republicans will try to win the election for Trump, is to target democratic voters with propaganda which suggests that Biden is certain to win or that he's more right wing than he actually is, thereby lowering democratic turnout.
  
  They know they won't convince young voters to vote conservative, they know they won't win majority support, so they'll try to convince progressive to not bother voting at all.
  
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- That's their plan. Anyone posting bullshit like that is someone I'll be immediately suspicious of. Trump will lose again and maybe it'll be blow that sends his racist cult back under the rocks they came from. Everyday boomers are dropping to old age and younger people are hitting voting age. The last election was their last chance and they knew it, that's why they all knew what he was trying to do and they went with it. Soon we can start repairing the damage they've done and start working ourselves back out of the 60's and look to the future.
  
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- And also Q-Anon isn’t a thing anymore, which was a base of his firmest believers, fighting against Hillary and others, who were said to be eating children in a Washington Pizzeria. But I really ask myself what on earth could make people hold on to this criminal and vote for him…
  
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As an American I hope your last paragraph is true. Ive come to hate America, better yet American, not the land, it's clear people, nature, and humanity are low on their list. Another country should break our fake image of worth. I hope someday I can leave America or this place changes completely.

If another country doesn't break our fake image than another politician will come along to use us people and motivate us to live for false hope that continues to rape our lives.

It goes deeper than politics... It's our businesses and business culture too. As well as the people that normalize the over-consumption consumerism lifestyle.

I've experienced both sides, mainstream and street life and they are both the same... The successful in both cultures use the same abhorrent methods to gain power.

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- Another country should break our fake image of worth.
  
  You guys are doing a great job of that on your own 😥
  
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@Hyperreality @Reverendender

Try being Canadian and living next door to this crap, with the most porous borders in the world between us.

*sigh*

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- Try living in southern Canada (Minnesota) and not having a college degree so Canada most likely won't let me immigrate.
  
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- Reading your comment I am thinking that Mexico might pay for a border after all - to keep Americans out.
  
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- Expect refugees from the US when Trump wins.
  
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The most depressing part of it all is that if Trump is in the rush to win, neoliberals would still blame the stupidity of the people, or anything else, except themselves. IF Trump sucks and is about to win, imagine how much Biden sucks

I am absolutely TIRED of politicians never having to do any "Mea Culpa" and blaming everything else except themselves for losing an election, I am tired of neoliberals shitting on people and then say "If you don't vote for us then the world is gonna burn"

Biden went to power with Universal Basic Income, Debt Pardon, Universal Healthcare, and was able to achieve NOTHING, 0, NADA, NYET

I am tired of the only argument of the neoliberals worldwide is always the boogeyman on the other team, instead of some kind of merit they could have

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I have a feeling this is intentional. These statements can be used as evidence and it gets him off the case for which he probably realized he's never getting paid and his client is a moron.

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The "this obviously stupid thing must have been done on purpose" take is the stupidest thing about the Internet.

They can just request to be removed as council.

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- I'd assume it's more of a ploy for trump to appeal on the basis of ineffective counsel.
  
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- stupidest thing about the Internet
  
  *counsel
  
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If he didn’t get paid up front he is the real moron

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He's not using the I didn't know it was wrong defense (that was earlier) but the my lawyers told me it was fine defense (his previous lawyers, not these two).

So, I don't think these statements matter to his current defensive strategy.

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Honest question, is that a defense that has ever actually worked for crimes this serious? I can understand something like "Your honor, I totally thought I could park there because a police officer said it was fine, but then the parking enforcement wrote me a ticket!" But not "Your honor, a very Bigly smart man said I could totally disenfranchise all of America and it is very cool and very legal!"

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- It can work but probably won't in this instance. There was an article about it posted yesterday that talked about it.
  
  I think his actual strategy is to delay as much as possible and either have his own AG drop the charges, or, have a GOP president pardon him.
  
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If he uses advice of counsel defense, he has to waive attorney client privilege. Seems like a nice trap by special counsel.

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- It was a trap by the special counsel set by… getting him to hire terrible attorneys? I would think that more a consequence of the magnitude of his crimes + his history of nonpayment, leaving only desperate lawyers willing to be the next in line trying to defend one of the most obvious criminals in recent history and humiliating themselves in the process
  
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- Yeah, was a lot of the argument in that article.
  
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Dude Trump has literally broadcast his crimes on Fox TV. It doesn't take a lawyer admitting it.

I still have plenty of doubts the indictments will put him away for any amount of time that he actually deserves. I'd say 3 month suspended sentence at best. I'll believe he's going to jail when he's in jail.

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Hm. He really does have tiny hands.

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I think it is more a short arms problem

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Setting up grounds for future appeals?

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Not sure how that would work. Would he appeal on the grounds that he had terrible lawyers or something?

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- Yes. One of the reasons for granting an appeal is that you didn't have adequate representation.
  
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It's a good thing he only hires the best people!

/s

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You don't need the /s here. The stupid people have not found us yet.

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Lauro: At the end, he asked Mr Pence to pause the voting for 10 days, allow the state legislatures to weigh in and then they could make a determination to audit or reaudit or recertify. But what he didn't do is, you know, send in the tanks…

Think about that for a minute... Trump and his lawyers believe we should be thanking him because Trump didn't turn American streets into blood-soaked war zones.

IMO if Trump had his way we would have had an American versions of Tienanmen Square all across the country instead of the insurrection he was able to incite.

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I don't understand how anyone can think there's any truth or a space left for the mending of America. It never was what they said it was and it never will be. The jig is up.

People need to move on... A new foundation or no foundation. I feel like that's the only choice.

How much more do they have to do for people to realize? The governments and streets are laced with career criminals and good honest men and women just get used.

It's already too far gone to be fixed. Trust is dead and will take decades or more to get back from people and future generations.

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If you’ve got a viable strategy, please share!

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- A tid bit of gang warfare, military warfare, and Karen warfare. The ultimate trio of destruction and reintegration.
  
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Please refer to 1860s American history. Or late 1960s. Things aren’t nearly as fucked now (in the sense that society isn’t as broken as it was then). Fucked though they may be.

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- It should be better because of past bullshit... Don't accept shit just because the past.
  
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Wait, if Trump committed crimes in several states (as he did) - wouldn’t then the RICO Act come into effect and this could be treated as “organized crime”?

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I would guess only if the criminal activities involved finances crossing state lines. But IANAL

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Probably more like "I deliver nice pieces of evidence for an equally nice 'Get out of Jail' card".

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That's not how it works at all.

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