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U.S. senators urge Canada to ‘give us another chance’ on trade, tourism - National | Globalnews.ca

globalnews.ca U.S. senators urge Canada to ‘give us another chance’ on trade, tourism - National | Globalnews.ca

Republican and Democratic U.S. senators who visited Ottawa this past weekend say they want to bolster the Canada-U.S. relationship despite U.S. President Donald Trump's trade war.

In other words, some Republican senators still want to insert the knife into Caanda, to drain our lifeblood, but they want it done compassionately.

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As an American: DO NOT TRUST REPUBLICANS.
- I've known that since the age of 6. lol To me they always seem to hide something, not tell the whole story. And they're mostly background racists.
  
  Your second sentence is just politicians in general.
- As a Canadian, DO NOT TRUST AMERICANS IN GENERAL.
  
  My general stance is that, for the most part, Americans are like everyone else is. They're mostly perfectly fine individually. It's when you get them all in a group that they're an issue.

“We’ll be better at it if we’re friends than if we’re just tolerating one another…. I’m just here (in Ottawa) to say thank you, and then to encourage Canadians to take another look and give us another chance.”
You can’t talk about making Canada into the 51st state and then cry for another chance. As far as I’m aware, most Canadians have a backbone. A concept utterly alien to conservatives.
- I think you are mistaken. The common American politician, upon biopsy, has been found without a backbone. It keeps its form with an exoskeleton, shed once every 20 years.
  
  Seems more like it's once every 2-4 years they shed the ol' exoskeleton. 😅

Not woke and DEI enough to receive our trade and tourism dollars, sorry.

You want us back?
Impeach Trump.
Then, if Vance fucks around, impeach him, too. Then Johnson. Keep going until you find someone who isn't a fascist asshat.
That would help with America's "trust" problem.
- I think it's more likely individual states or blocs of them regain our trust by seceding

From that article,
"He [Carney] announced a $6-billion purchase of over-the-horizon radar systems from Australia in March as part of the government’s ongoing NORAD modernization project.'
A NORAD radar.
From Australia.
That just HAS to sent the Americans a message about Carney's thinking towards the Americans.

There are simply too many reasons to say no. How the US treats people entering and leaving the country. How due process is ignored for people within the country.
In broad terms the US is an unkind society. This is not to say that there are not kind individuals, but they are unable to influence the overall norm that is so clearly on display.
You don’t get to cause so many damages to a partner and then suggest we give you another chance. That ship has sailed and I am ready for us to find other trading partners and address our own internal trade barriers.
- The Americans are an adversarial us-vs-them society. There always has to be a loser in the American culture.
  
  That is because they need someone to look down on.

“Bookings of Canadians to come to Virginia Beach are down significantly, and colleagues of mine in other states are saying the same thing about tourism,” Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia told Stephenson. “So we’re definitely seeing it.
I will never visit the United States again. You have the gestapo snatching people off the streets now. A large percentage of your population approves of what is happening, while not requiring the propaganda to reach or hold that conclusion.
“We were aware, because we all have great friends in Canada, that there was a lot of anxiety about, well, gosh, what do Americans think of us?” he said in explaining what spurred the senators’ visit. “The five of us wanted to come to say, ‘Look, we love Canada.'”
The anxiety that you're referencing is a direct result of your country unilaterally choosing to betray us. Not that guy Donald Trump, but you. You enabled all of this, and you have absolutely no idea how to walk any of this back. You're under the impression that you can fix this in an election cycle.
- A large percentage of your population approves of what is happening, while not requiring the propaganda to reach or hold that conclusion.
  I agree with everything else here, but propaganda absolutely plays a role in the current fascist movement in the States. The Venn diagram of Trump supporters and people who watch Fox News is probably pretty close to a circle.
  
  To be clear, propaganda matters.
  I'm saying that there's a segment of the fascist populace that is utterly aware of what is real, what is bullshit, and are quite content with the presence of said bullshit, as long as it maintains the current reality.
- An unambiguous apology and groveling would help.
  
  It wouldn't hurt.
  I'm fine with some governor expressing concern with harm to their local economy, as that's literally their job.
  But this is geopolitics, and they're clearly out of their element when trying to grasp the stakes.

Don't give us another chance until we grow up.
-US citizen
- Have you not grown up, or is it the opposite - dementia has set in?
  
  We never grew up. Look at our healthcare situation.

Spoken like any abuser to their victim.

From NYT:
As for Mr. Trump’s threats of annexation? “We don’t even want them to be the 51st state,” Mr. Cramer said with a laugh. But unable to resist, he added: “We want Alberta to be the 51st state. And then we have two Republican senators.”
Fuck these guys. They're the usual entitled American idiots, blundering around in foreign countries without understanding them.
- What a completely tactless piece of trash thing to say.

- This

Until we stop electing sociopaths, we don’t deserve a second chance from anybody. Canadians know that, unlike the fools who elected you.
Senators, all you’re doing is further insulting a previously close ally. The best thing you can do is shut up.
- The best thing senators can do is vote to convict Trump's impeachment.
- I'm a fan of balkanization. That'd fix a lot of problems quickly, albeit for a limited number of states and at the cost of making things worse for other states.
  
  I read this in the voice of professor farnsworth from futurama.
  
  Republic of California.
  Republic of New England.
  Independent Hawaii.
  
  Is it really a cost if those states want to make things worse for themselves? They all have the same ability to choose sensible economic policies, they just seem to want morons in charge.

Watching them go through the stages of grief is immensely satisfying. Should've thought of that before you threatened our sovereignty.

"I want another chance!"
My 5 year old kid likes to say this, when I've finally imposed some consequences for doing something she shouldn't be doing after she's ignored my repeated requests to stop doing it. She usually says it while still doing the thing that caused the issue in the first place.

Come to America !
See our beautiful prisons and concentration camps.
Buy American and you can feel like a Nazi too!

"we'll talk after your next election, if you have one."

10 years after you hang that orange Turd we might think about it. Until then fuck off.

Keep safe Canada. Dont give in. My heart has hope you will stay safe out of these people's grasp.
Much love.

As a citizen of both countries, my vote is on 'no; not for a very long time if ever'.

Go jump in a lake

How about fucking off to your backwards country.

🤣😸😂😝😹🥹🤨🤣😸😝😅🙄🫤
No.
Eject the fascist first, then we can talk.
- No, no talk until they understand "recognition and reconciliation policy. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.

This is the only response needed to any overtures from the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAbATWsvjTE
And sorry Democrats, until you get your Republican problem under control, we can't trust you either. In 2016 it looked like it might just be a flare-up, but the reappearance of symptoms indicates that the infection is deeper and ongoing.
- That video deserves its own post. 😁🙂

Nah.

Eat my entire ass, until the fascist is out and you take real steps to make sure that can't happen again, I'll shop elsewhere. I learned to cook over this.

hey canada, actually keep up the good work. we got some folks down here who don't get it yet. we'll be in touch once we've fixed our shit
- You have almost an entire POPULATION that 'doesn't get it yet'.
  Call us when you understand what 'recognition and reconciliation policy'. is all about.

Actually, US senators are in a position to do something that would actually go some way toward repairing relations with Canada - they can (with the House's cooperation) remove the profoundly mentally ill, immensely dangerous and brazenly corrupt demagogue Trump from office.
Nothing short of that is going to accomplish much of anything though. As long as that psychopath is in office, incrementally turning the presidency into a dictatorship from which to pursue his literally insane agenda, nobody will or should trust the US for anything.
- A profound apology would also help.
  
  I was actually just thinking about that, sort of.
  The childish and sort of pathetic nature of the whole thing led me to visualize a hardass middle-aged mom dragging Trump up to Canada by the ear and standing him in front of everyone and saying, "Donnie has something he wants to say to you all, don't you Donnie (pinch)"
  In a way, that's exactly what that manbaby needs.

Never for me regardless if who's ruling is democrats or republican

I don't know if that is a good idea for us. Even if in two years they take back congress and the senate, the next two years after that they could put in another pack of lunatic fascists. I think we should continue with our diversifying strategy and put much more effort into CETA and CPTPP.
- It is their entire adversarial culture that needs to change. The Americans HAVE to have an enemy, even if they change a friend into an enemy.

Why? It's abundantly clear any further chances will be pissed upon.

Suck it republican maga traitors. You’re trump’s slaves and everyone knows it.

This motivates me more in my boycott.
- Exactly, because it shows our efforts are working.

"We still love you as much as ever" said senator Tim Kaine.
And we love you as much as ever - but it has never been as much as you think.
Canada and Canadians have always harboured a quiet, seething resentment towards the US - even as our snowbirds have flown south in the winter and we've greedily bought crap on Amazon. As proud as we are of Canadian musicians hitting the big time, we're slightly bitter that we spend more time listening to American content.
I think it's fair to say that we've always - at least in my 50+ years of awareness - felt the pressure of living next door to a ten-ton behemoth that fills our every waking moment just by merely leaking across the border.
And now the dam has broken. Trump has made things so unbearable that we finally have the resolve to break free. It's going to be tough, it's going to hurt for a number of years, we're going to suffer financially in the short-mid term, but I'm confident that we're going to do it. We will not allow ANY country or trading partner to control our destiny as much as the US has done since 1959.
So thanks for the love, but I'm afraid we're still getting out of this toxic relationship.

You have to earn the second chance, yanks. And given the size of the betrayal, you got to work hard, very hard, to earn it.

Do not capitulate. The greedy fucks in charge right now want you to buckle and make them look tough. We need MAGAts to suffer so that there's no doubt who is solely to blame for this.

Go fuck yourself!
Signed one of your constituents
Quit being cunts and maybe people will eventually give us another chance, but I won't blame them if they don't.

Your leaders and their Corpo-Masters have repeatedly made comments about Invading us,
you look for every opportunity to whitewash and shield the Genocidal, Warmongering terrorist regime in Russia, who I might add, considers themselves to be at war with us, and you. And during a time thats basically the opening salvo of WW3, You decide to say its the Europeans and Canadians that are treating you "nastily"
And while all this disrespect and devils advocacy for our enemies, you stamp your feet and scream that we join the team and get ready to go to war with China for you, Hardly anyone in the world had a problem with China, Until America started getting afraid that their hegemony would be challenged in the 21st century. So let me be clear, if Russia and Ukraine isnt your war, China Isnt our war.
and thats all before we even mention the flip flopping trade wars and your insistance on waging a "culture war" in your own country, slowly turning everything in the room to be something the Proud Boys would blush at.
No, America, most of us aren't on speaking terms with you right now, the best thing you can do , is shut the fuck up and go away for a while.

tRump is just a symptom. The USA is and always has been an oligarchy, founded on genocide and grown through slavery, patriarchy and misogyny. The original constitution gave ALL political power to Rich White Males and only superficial changes have been made over the last 250 years, the real power still remains with the oligarchs. tRump has just dropped the mask for the world to see what a fascist shit-stain of a country the U.S. really is at its core. The world (and Canada) will be extremely unwise to ever trust them again no matter which faction of the oligarchy is in power.
- When Americans understand what ' recognition and reconciliation policy' is all about, they might also understand where they went wrong with Canadians.

Or just send us your money you would have spent on tourism, since that money is what we really want, not you to come visit.
/s?

Lol, this is like the vampire, after you said no, asking, “come on, please let me in? I promise I’ll be good.”

Nope. Not in my lifetime.

I was grocery shopping yesterday and saw ginger root and wanted some. But then I saw "Made in USA" so moved on. But then there was organic ginger root made in Peru and I got it. Not even sure what the price difference was, at the time I figured it didn't matter if the organic was twice the price, though now I wish I had checked because tariffs might have even cancelled out the organic premium. I'm not even sure what the current status is for Canadian tariffs on US goods.
A few years back, I would have been happy to see ginger root made in USA instead of China. Funny how quickly things can change so much.
Also, any politician who tries to work with these senators to increase Canadian spending on US goods risks affecting their own popularity more than the popularity of US goods here.

U.S. senators urge Canada to ‘give us another chance’
You already had another chance and instead you re-elected the worst president your country had ever had.

Maybe try again once the Trump Regime is gone..Trump And all of his sycophants.
No fucking country in their right mind would give us another chance until then

Maybe if a friendly Congressperson offers to be an escort through customs.

The fact that they are asking for another chance means they internally acknowledge they fucked up with their unprovoked trade war and assault on our sovereignty. The fact that they won't just say that and apologise means they refuse to learn, so every single interaction with them should result in "Your guy's still that orange dude, huh? Okay come back when you change". They KNOW he's fucking himself and their whole country over, but they expect us to just allow the betrayal.
tl:dr Get fucked US reps, certainly untill you're going to meaningfully stop attacking us.
Edit - phrasing

I might, in four years or so, but probably not. There's a segment of Americans that have the memories of goldfish.
- Hopefully, Canadians will have a LONG memory.
- Not again in my lifetime. (Presumably a lot longer than 4 years)
- I'll be fascinated to see who the R candidate is, and if the election is free and fair at all.
  
  If Trump is in any state to do anything about it, it won't be.
  
  FWIW, unlike there, they elect their senators.

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