1w ago

Is that bad?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/30390004

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Why is there a butthole on Stallman's nameplate?

I banished Windows from my life a long time ago. My quality of life improved shortly thereafter. I had reached rock bottom after spending a day trying to unbugger my mother in law's computer. It felt like waking up after a long bender in a pile of my own sick. She caused the pain herself because Windows invited it without guardrails - yet somehow I was holding the bag. I'm Windows-clean now and no longer offer to try (or agree) to help. I know the personal risks. I support you if you're still enraptured by the Windows range and despair. I get it. Getting clean isn't easy. Gather the strength.
- My flatmate is now a Linux user. But it took her so long to make the switch. What finally did it was when she sat down at a default windows 11 PC that I was fixing and we just opened the start menu saw a ton of ads and software applications that weren't installed and you had to pay for. I showed her that almost every single application has ads for products built in (co pilot buttons, one drive etc) and I said this is what you're going to pay money to upgrade to.
  She installed mint and loves it. (I hate it because mint has so many small issues that are fixed in newer versions and it uses x11)

Windows is basically malware now. My wife is forced to use W11 for work and she fucking hates it with a passion (and that’s the pared down IT version).
I pulled out my old gaming laptop that had been unplugged for quite a while and found it somehow updated itself to W11. I immediately wiped the computer and installed Nobara as the main OS. No regrets, no issues, and no half-assed bullshit.
Windows on the ASUS ROG Ally is absolute dog shit. It would constantly reboot to install unwanted updates that offered zero value on a handheld (let alone anything).
Nothing I own will ever run Windows.
Windows isn’t popular. It’s forced onto tons of prebuilt computers and most people wouldn’t know what to use instead. Fuck Windows. Rant over.
- If someone can please make Autodesk stuff install and run under Wine, not saying Autodesk to deploy their stuff natively for Linux, I'd be gone with the blink of an eye. And I bet a lot of professionals too.
  
  The best would be if the open source alternatives got better and more popular, like Blender did for 3D stuff.
  
  Maya and Motionbuilder run on Linux, but that happened before they were hoovered up by the monster. Autodesk just ignores that part of their portfolio. I know a few people who work/have worked on the Maya team and they're talented, passionate devs, but management just doesn't give a fuck about Media & Entertainment when Autocad and Revit are making so much money.
- Windows is freemium now. It serves as a vehicle to sell other MS shit.
  
  At least I don't need to pay for freeware. Last I checked, the cost of Windows was included in my laptop and I didn't get the option to not install an OS even though I fully intended to install Linux on it.
- What's Nobara? I've never heard of that OS.
  
  Gamer-focused derivative of Fedora Linux.
  
  Adding on to the other comment, Nobara is maintained by Glorious Egroll, the same guy that also develops the popular Proton-GE compatibility tool which adds some extra fixes on top of Valve's Proton.
  (Proton is the compatibility tool Steam uses to make Windows games run on Linux, in case you're unfamiliar)
- Rant on, bruddah! I am also in the "must use it for work" group, and I despise my work laptop with the fury of 1000 suns. In my personal work and prior to this new job, I was staying on Win 10 for Inventor, AutoCAD, FL Studio (and a bunch of VST synths I bought), and DaVinci Resolve Studio. My experience with my work laptop has spurred my nearly-complete jump to Linux.
  FL Studio has been replaced by Bitwig, new learning curve and loss of the VSTs just being the cost I have to eat. I almost have DRS running in perfectly in Aurora Linux. And my two Win 10 machines will just go into an isolated network until I can figure out workarounds/replacements for the Autodesk garbage.
  
  Reaper is another good DAW that runs natively.
  Blender has great video editing capabilities. There's also KDenLive and a few other native video editors.
  CAD is harder unless you're okay with switching to a parametric design flow with FreeCAD.
  
  Anecdotal, but I got a few VSTs working on Ardour with yabridge, if it helps.

This is partly to do with the start menu trying to act like a search engine. Its frustrating when you are looking for a document or application and it searches the web.
Microsoft why can we not turn this off!
- It's simple, really.
  If the first results are a web search, you wouldn't notice how terrible the local search indexing is.
  
  I legitimately cannot believe how comically powerful medium level hardware has become yet the windows user experience is so much shittier than it was almost 20 years ago. I remember school machines struggling less to power up on 1gb ram and a one core machine that my gaming rig does sometimes. Windows is such a fucking waste of computing power.
- You can. I've had it off for years. It just needs a registry update, and persists across updates.
  
  And people say Linux is not user-friendly
- I mean... KDE can do it just fine.
- I have it turned off. But maybe that option is not available outside of EU? I don't know.
- There's a few ways to turn it off, but they require registry editing or using the Group Policy editor if you have a Pro license
  https://www.ghacks.net/2021/11/26/how-to-turn-off-search-the-web-results-in-windows-11/
- I'm using keypirinha and haven't opened the startmenu for years
- You can just disable web search through the settings app now.

I haven’t used windows in so long, the only thing I know about it is the incredibly high volume of complaints regarding it.
- Same here. I can’t figure out why anyone uses based on what I read.
- Yes, the most popular OS on the planets used by the most people on a daily basis, also has a high number of memes about it. Shocking. What information you've gleaned.
  
  the most popular OS
  It's barely the second most popular OS, after Android. iOS is pretty close behind it. And yet the amount of complaints Windows gets seems to be far higher than that of Android.
  
  For what it's worth, just because something is popular does not mean it's perfect, or even better.
  I think a lot of the complaints about Windows 11 are overblown, but a lot aren't. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
  
  Being the single OS that has had a chokehold on the prebuilt computer industry for ages doesn’t mean it’s popular. It’s also used in tons of workplaces where people don’t have a choice. High number doesn’t automatically correlate to “popular.”

- "I have deemed my own work to be 'great' and that's the only professional feedback I take"
- "great work" 🤭
- Thats unironically based

I'm thinking that maybe I should upgrade my old Win 10 Pro laptop to Windows 11 Pro, "just in case", instead of going full Linux everywhere.
And then I read shite like this.
You're not making it easy for me Microsoft.
- Linux everywhere and then Windows VM labeled "Shitty Spyware Do Not Open"

Yep it's pretty bad...

Best thing about Windows 11 is that my hardware doesn’t support it
- It probably does. Microsoft just tried to pull a fast one and get everyone to upgrade because windows 11 was just that great!
  ....
  
  My PC is 10 years old. It is not supported

Is right click menu one too? After boot, it always takes like 5 seconds for it to show up, recurring times it takes <1 second (not instant). I run last gen ryzen somethingsomethingXD and 4070 so my PC can definitely run a context menu.
- On windows 11 or windows 10?
  The <win10 context menu is old and poorly designed. Each app that declares itself on the right click menu gets to hold up the entire menu for like 3 seconds each. So if you have one poorly designed app that can appear on that list your right click menu will be super slow. Try to go through the right click menu and disable each app that appears one by one until you find the culprit.
  Windows has this official tool, if you go to the explorer tab and find .../contextMenuHandlers section you can easily disable them one by one but i haven't used it personally.
  Win11 tried to fix this and moved to a different model but in doing so made the first level right click menu functionally useless.
  
  Win11. I remember it being fine in Win10, though I didn't have that many applications there, now I should have even less though.
  Maybe I'll look at what I have there now, in case I indeed have a misbehaving app.

Microsoft couldn’t think about this while they were developing the OS, no?
- I’ll take Business majors making technical decisions for 400, Alex.
  
  Sorry that’s 500..

And yet it's somehow less awful than the Windows 10 start menu. Is it still improvement if you put the bar under the floor yourself?
- It's really hard to find a difference between a flaming bag of dog crap and a giant heap of cow dung. But if you look hard enough, one might have a preference.
- Is it? Honestly I don't care about it anymore, I've been opening everything from task bar icons and search for ages now.

Gosh, after all the hacks I do to Windows I often forget how terrible the experience is for all my users our there raw dogging it. 🪦

React Native's new architecture is not that bad.
You basically just got a single lightweight JavaScript thread that runs your update loop around which components should be rendered and updated, but then all the components are bound directly to underlying C++ native components.
I would still expect the start menu to be aiming for zero dependencies and as fast a start as humanly possible, but it's not that crazy compared to something like Electron (which itself is not as inherently bad as most people make it out to be).
The real problem with slow web apps has less to do with the architecture of the apps, and more to do with them letting developers build apps really quickly and easily, meaning that you often have apps built by developers who don't entirely know what they're doing, and they introduce tons of inefficiencies like double rendering etc.

no fucking way

It's WHAT?

So that's why it is so freaking slow! 💩🤡💩🤡
- ..and the pervs contracted by the almighty shareholders are getting their jollies off while reporting your every click; must be exhausting.

No wonder why Windows is sluggish
I thought they were using winui or win32 ngl

Are you really asking?

It's not that bad by default, it just gives it a disadvantage in terms of performance, but if you care about it you can still make it run smooth and be not-that-heavy. Microsoft just doesn't.

i use win 11 and i can't remember the last time i used the start button. there is no need.

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