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Starmer says no [Scottish] independence referendum while he is prime minister

www.bbc.co.uk Starmer says no independence referendum while he is prime minister

The prime minister insists it is more important to focus on the economy than the constitution.

Added context is mine. Its like he wants the SNP to take over Holyrood next year. Not doing his little Englander image any good in Scotland with comments like this, just another colonialist

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No PM is really going to want to agree to one. It's going to take a lot of pressuring and strong SNP showings in both parliaments to get to a stage where a PM considers it.
- Yes, understandable, but he could have not answered too
  
  The most annoying thing politicians do is not answering the question.

refusal to grant a referendum while also striking down any devolved laws they don't like? that's not a union that's colonisation.

That’s a bold word to use, considering Scotland got started on colonialism before England did, and the Scotch were the most vigorously committed members of the colonial service and military.
- Scotch is a bold word to use when trying to take the moral high ground, you xenophobe.
  Can you provide a source for your claim of being the most vigorously committed members or are you just talking out your arse?
  The first English overseas expansion occurred as early as 1169, when the Norman invasion of Ireland began to establish English possessions in Ireland, with thousands of English and Welsh settlers arriving in Ireland.[3] As a result of this the Lordship of Ireland was claimed for centuries by the English monarch
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_overseas_possessions
  Scotland's colonialism began in the 1600s, quite a bit later than the 1100s...
  
  Chaps like Henry Dundas (literally put upon a pedestal, and former head of the EIC) made a vast amount of wealth that was used to build Scottish cities, found its banks and institutions. Scotland was obsessed with education, and what the educated did was they got work administering colonial affairs. And of course, the very enthusiastic colonisation of Ireland.
- Didnae say we weren't. Wouldn't use that word to describe us today. Unlike Starmer
  
  Why do Scot’s say didnae but not wouldnae?
- Was that before the union?
  
  It fairly directly caused the union
- Scotch is a drink.
  
  Well, if anyone would know, it’s you.

Why would there be one anytime soon?
- Brexit invalidated the results because many voted for the sole purpose of staying in the EU, public support is now at a majority, and Reform getting in would raise support significantly.
- I dunno, maybe people in Scotland keep electing pro indy majorities or some other antidemocratic guff. Holyrood is going to the polls next year
  
  Yet the people of Scotland said no in the referendum not so long ago. If it was anything like the Brexit referendum I'm surprised anyone would want to go through that again.

non-brit here. i watched a season of Bakeoff where one of the contestants mentioned being a unionist while making a patriotic cake or something like that. from the outside it is utterly fucking weird to have someone's political stance be "Everything Is Fine Like This, You Are Actually Happy Where You Are, Do Not Consider Leaving"
- What is it that you find strange exactly?

"Once in a lifetime. " SNP - This matter should have been settled for 50-100 years.
But Russias money is so good and its so easy to blame someone else.
- Write the whole quote not just the bit you like.
  
  Sorry , I was wrong with 'once in a lifetime' the exact language used was 'once in a generation'
  “The debate we are engaged in as a nation is about the future of all of us lucky enough to live in this diverse and vibrant country. It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way.” Alex Salmond.
  “It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity." Scottish Government White Paper.
  Did they have their fingers crossed behind their back when they said these things?

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