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  • Ugh, enough with the James Kirk already. This show has such a nerd hard-on, they're contradicting the original series just to crowbar very specific pet TOS elements in.

    1. In "The menagerie", pt 1, Kirk explicitly states he only met Pike the once when he was made Fleet Captain.
    2. In "Arena", Kirk first meets "a creature apparently called a Gorn". He has no idea what they are, nor does Spock, McCoy, Chapel or anybody else who (according to SNW) met them before bother to give him advice.

    Not that it matters, it's clearly a completely different species from the alligator Xenomorphs in the current show.

    Twice already they've concocted absurd time paradoxes so that Kirk could become vErY iMpOrTaNt to SNW crew without breaking canon, but by now they don't seem to care anymore.

    I'm at a point where I'm watching current Star trek once only for the occasional, non-TOS related character moments, and then never again. I could live with the Disco Klingons, but this is utter bullshit.

    • In “The menagerie”, pt 1, Kirk explicitly states he only met Pike the once when he was made Fleet Captain.

      I actually think this one is a fun way of playing with that established dialogue in an unexpected way. The actual exchange goes like this:

      MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?

      KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.

      MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.

      KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.

      It's entirely possible that "when he was promoted to Fleet Captain" and "I took over the Enterprise from him" are two separate events. And if that's the case, then you might as well sprinkle in some additional meetings in between. I don't think it's the original intent of the scene in "The Menagerie", but it's a valid alternative interpretation.

      The Gorn thing is admittedly a bit tougher to explain, but I think it's mostly a Kirk problem - Spock doesn't really say anything to indicate whether the Gorn are familiar to him or not. And I don't think Kirk has me the Gorn (yet) in SNW?

    • If we're getting upset by canonical inconsistencies I have to wonder what bothers you about the Discovery Klingons specifically when I see no mention of the significantly more comprehensive "reimagining" of the TMP (or later the TNG) Klingons? Just seems like an odd place to draw the line.

  • Batel Watch 2025: maybe she survived the Gorn?

    • Maybe Pike is haunted by the memory of her, knowing that because his fate is already written he wouldn’t have even been able to sacrifice himself to save her from a horrible death, as parasitic lizards burrowed out from her flesh.

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