Protestation
Protestation


Protestation
I mean the ruling class of Russia, China, and Iran, can also be my enemy.
No need to be choosy when you can instead have solidarity with the mistreated and exploited around the world :)
Workers of the world, unite!
I mean the ruling class of Russia, China, and Iran, can also be my enemy.
The ruling classes of maybe Russia and Iran can be considered "enemies" (although if you live in the west, they don't have any power and little influence over you), while the ruling class of China is neutral for westerners (and positive for the Chinese) in the most cynical reading.
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No need to be choosy when you can instead have solidarity with the mistreated and exploited around the world :)
The exploited and mistreated of the world in general have a net positive perception of Russia, and China precisely because these countries have a continued track record of helping these countries. And this is especially true with China.
The ruling class of the PRC is the Proletariat, so you have more in common with the Proletariat in the PRC than you do with the ruling class of, say, the US.
As for Russia and Iran, it's important to not just get swept up in the common enemy of the Western bourgeoisie. The current era, where the US is the current Hegemon but whose Imperialism is waning and decaying, means the US bourgoeisie has a vested interest in creating more subjects to plunder to keep this process going for as long as possible, and countries who exert more control over their own resources and industry are the number 1 targets on the US's list. Russia and Iran both need eventual Socialist revolutions, but these would be pushed back if they were to fall under the thumb of the US Empire.
This is why it's critical for Communists to have strong understandings of Imperialism. Lenin's Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism remains the most important work for understanding the primary contradiction and thus primary obstacle in the way of Socialist movements everywhere, of all stripes, today.
ruling class of the PRC is the Proletariat,
Question: if you check families of the top people, they all seem to be children of former high-level dignitaries. Are they somehow stopping birth of a neoaristocracy ruling class, or is the PRC simply too young (2-3 generations) for that to become noticeable yet?
Yeah I don't like the PRC either 😅
The PRC needs to stop comitting atrocities against the Uyghur and other Turkic muslims, and Tibettans, and stop brutalising and denying political self determination to the people of Hong Kong. Oh and stop being a authoritarian surveillance state.
Broadly speaking I don't like the government of pretty much every country that matters on the world stage. If they matter, they wield enough power that they have used that power to do harm rather than just provide for their people. The only ones that haven't are maybe some of the tiny or globally insignificant countries' governments.
I don't like the US government where I'm from, the UK government, Israel's government, Iran's government, most of the governments in the middle east really, excluding the ones I don't know enough about. I don't like the PRC, I don't like the Russian government, I don't really like the Japanese government, I don't like the Australian government, I don't like the Brazilian government, and I don't like the German government. I don't know a lot about most governments in Europe though, so I'm not inclined to have a stance on them until I have more reason to not like them. There are probably lots of others also worth not liking that I don't know about, or forgot.
And I'm postive there are good, kind, earnest, compassionate civil servants working in all of those governments, but as entities I still have issues with them, and think they could better wield their power to help rather than harm the humans they're supposed to provide for and/or their global neighbors.
"As for Russia and Iran, it's important to not just get swept up in the common enemy of the Western bourgeoisie."
What are you talking about? You obviously don't have friends or family from Ukraine or Georgia.
Not on lemmy.ml !
it's not that they can. they are.
The ruling class is not my enemy. The bourgeoisie is. Under socialism, the proletariat would be the ruling class, and they are not my enemy.
And looking at the comments, the meme failed on deaf ears. That's why antiimperialism is sorely needed.
Russia is also my enemy
Both of these things can be true. At least russia is definitely not an ally or partner to Europe.
Good, Europe is vile
Well I happen to live there, so fuck you too I guess. Not saying our governments aren't into dirty shit themselves but at least it's not russia. What comparison even is that
Russia is absolutely not my friend.
No, other capitalist powers arent, but you have more in common with a random Russian than Warren Buffet, just as they have more in common with you than Putin and his fellow billionaires.
Ok. No one said it was, but thanks for letting us know?
germans, 1945
And if Russia falls it strengthens your enemy at home. An independent shitty Russia is closer to proletarian revolution than a US dominated Russia, and that is what would happen if the US defeated Russia.
There's a theoretical revolution. There's a real and ongoing mass-killing of civilians.
All autocrats are my enemy
Sure, but Iran may first have to work on their rights for woman as humans and not slaves. Russia could stop their invasion and start peacetalks. Otherwise I don't see any progressive change happening.
Civil liberties and women rights are much better in Iran than Saudi Arabia, yet the former is in US-declared "axis of evil" while the latter is a close US ally.
The US has practiced about 200 military interventions just in the last three decades. It killed two millions in Korea, a million in Vietnam, another million in Indonesia, another in the Middle East. It promoted a coup in Iran, which had a secular, progressive, patriotic government, for the crime of nationalizing petroleum, and installed a subservient authoritarian absolute monarch, which was later overthrown -- by islamic revolutionaries. The US caused the problem of theocracy in Iran by illegally overthowing the secular government, now you think more US violence will solve it?
The US also promoted coups all over Latin America to overthrow democratic governments and install subservient brutal military dictatorships.
Putin has problems, but he is not remotely in the same category of evil as the US regime.
Better than Saudi Arabia, is still shit. Where did I advocate for US voilence ??? Even if the us is soley to blame for irans stance on woman, it wouldn't change the fact that an organized classwar is unthinkable before any of these issues are resolved. Same with Russia, needs to stop the war before they have a chance at dismantling the current oligarchy. And yes I know the us is the biggest terrorist state.
The only reason Putin is not in the same category is just because the US sphere of influence is bigger.
Putin has problems, but he is not remotely in the same category of evil as the US regime.
Evil is still evil.
Edit: Holy defense of authoritarians, Batman!
Creepy vibe y'all have here.
Peace talks? How about their troops fuck off right back home and they release whatever is left of the kidnapped children. Then they can talk about compensation for every crime their troops committed. Their current idea of peace talks is along the lines of "Ukraine should give up most of it's land, people and resources and we promise not try to take more this week."
Nato must die, then they will stop
If bojo didnt barge in to stop the peacetalks, there would be peace in ukraine already
Maybe it's just my narrow perception but, it seems to me that most of the class war illustrations are old. I know the class war has been going on forever but, why aren't more modern illustrations as popular?
Part of the value in showing the old illustrations is to show that we are a part of a centuries-long struggle against Capitalism, and a thousands of years long struggle against Class society. Plus, the Soviet Union made tons of these, and it's no longer here. There are modern artists, but these draw the reader into a connection with our predecessors.
The old ones have their appeal, but I found a couple new ones. Maybe people prefer the older drawings to newer ones because the newer ones could be AI.
Oh for sure, I'm not a fan of AI. Thanks for sharing those illustrations.
Anyone have a high res version of original pic?
You can put the low quality image into Google lens to find higher quality ones :)
Ehh these highly nationalist states def aint my friend. Yes all bourgeoisie should be supressed globally.
China is Socialist, so it already suppresses the bourgeoisie. Russia and Iran are nationalist, but this nationalism also puts them at odds with western Imperialism and towards countries like China. Aligning with the Western bourgeoisie against Russia and Iran weakens the chance of them becoming Socialist, as it would likely result in an opening of their markets to foreign plunder and perpetuation of Imperialism. On the other hand, by siding against Western Imperialism, they become more integrated into the Chinese side of the global economy, pushing them towards Socialism.
I wouldn't say Russia and Iran are friends, they certainly aren't Socialist by any stretch, but they can be depended on insofar as they work against the system by which the West collectively loots and plunders the Global South, depressing its development.
Fairy tales are about teaching kids to fight monsters. Those are the hording dragons.
Me and the fam being bombed, thankful they arent actually my enemy:
typo :
Iraniens are not my ennemies Chines are not my ennemies Russians are not my ennemies the ruling class is my enemy
Those state are run by their ruling class (obviously), so their definitely are our ennemies. As well as every other states, specially imperialist one
To be clear, the ruling class in the PRC is the proletariat, it's a Socialist country. Further, Russia and Iran's ruling classes don't have the same Imperialist foothold holding the entire Global South down that Western Countries do. They will need Socialist revolutions, but as Imperialism is the world's greatest contradictions, it's more important to thwart US and Western European hegemony than it is to side with the Empire against bourgeois states that are nationalist in character.
Also even if you believe that the democratically elected leadership of China are a new distinct class, they are empirically not capitalists and empirically not violent on anywhere close to a comparable scale to capitalist leadership. Their politics are that of mutual cooperation and advancement because 1a) they understand imperial extraction is economically inefficient in the long term 1b) have sufficient control over the state and economy to prevent it 2) they need strong allies to protect themselves from imperialist encirclement and imperial powers keep trying to weaken the rest of the world
(I don't agree that the Chinese elected leadership constitute a new class, I'm just saying for the sake of talking to folks who do)
The PRC is proletariat just as western country are democratic. Yep we should fight the imperialism of our own country first; but we shall not ignore what is oppressing our comrades elsewhere. Workers struggle are bloody crushed by hose states. Pretending elsewhere would not help to build social revolution anywhere
You are getting downvoted but are absolutely right. I have nothing agains Russians, I do have something against Putin invading Ukraine, Georgia etc. I have nothing against Chinese people, I do have something against Xi and what he is doing against the Uygurs, or what he did to Hong Kong and might do to Taiwan. Just like I don't have anything against Americans, but I have a lot against Trump.
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and yet nobody would want to live there. terrible regimes are the enemey. and they are the most terrible. pretty much makes them the enemy.
I'd absolutely live in China, but I'd probably move back due to family. I definitely see the US Empire and all who enable it to be greater evils, considering the relentless plunder of the Global South propping them up and the brutal genocide in Palestine that is deemed necessary by the US and its vassels.
easy said when you have nothing to say. you could live there if you stop caring about being free or having the freedom to just read what you want. it'd be a sad life.
Why are all you nationalist liberals posting in this communism com.
1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, Soviet gulags, Russian war on Ukraine, Iran is quite lacking on human rights too.
Is your point that China, Russia (both Socialist during the USSR and Capitalist during the Russian Federation), and Iran are all generally evils that must be opposed? What's your point, exactly, are you denying class analysis?
My point being Russia and China are both authoritarian and consequently have a history of doing bad shit to people. Iran was just a nice add on. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying by any means that capitalism is without its faults but it's far better than getting disappeared because you said something the supreme leader doesn't like. What America needs is not authoritarian or communism but government regulated capitalism like what they have over in the EU.
Shitlibs have been reduced to squawking out off topic, sentence fragment, thought terminating cliches.
What? No zenz? We found the impossible, the no-adrian crackkker
1989 Tianenmen Square
massacreinsurrection
The equivalent of this would be 1000 US caucasian student communists showing up on Freedom Plaza,
demanding that Confucious Institutes be reopened while building statues of "Chairman Háu!",
and singing how oppressed they are if those institutes are not build for them,
then do a Trump style insurrection and continue to kill when US troops arrive,
which not even the Jan 6 insurrectionists dared to do, because the government,
instead of sending armed soldiers, send in their army choir
to calm everyone down and have them peacefully removed from "the plaza".
Instigators had been shot dead.
And dozens of innocent people died in a state of confusion in the outskirts of the city,
with protesters not believing the insurrection happened
and soldiers demanding confescation of public transport to get to the square
to prevent a potential coup from happening.
Then, when all is said and done, China starts calling the Jan 6 insurrection,
the Freedom Plaza massacre, despite all the action having taking place
at either Capitol Hill or JFK airport.
Soviet gulags
Holdover from their imperial days, increased in use during world war I and II prisoners,
then got dismantled to a few until the last one closed down in 1987.
That's at least 38 years before the US, as the US still has forced slave labor camps all over the nation.
Russian war on Ukraine
Ukraine is an artificial state created by Russia from its own territory and Polish territory.
Kiev being Russia's first capital like Philidelphia was to the US.
A coup happened in Ukraine and Oblasts (states) wanted to secede because they didn't recognize
Poroshenko as their president since they declared themselves as Russian and demanded referendum,
that was violently blocked with lethal gunfire killing voters at the polling stations.
In response the seperatists declared secession and asked Russia for help.
Russia demanded Ukraine to hold a cease fire so a referendum could be held.
And after 8 years of Ukrainian presidents, including Zelensky who platformed on the
promise that he was going to be THE president that would bring cease fire and being
elected on the basis of that promise, after 8 years of only increasing the suppression,
Russia did a small invasion to tell Zelensky that they would really appreciate a cease fire there
and promise that it would never join NATO.
Zelensky agreed, but then Boris Johnson showed up the next day saying that the US and EU
have got all their weapons ready to arm Ukraine with whatever he wanted that the EU has,
so he would fight with all the weapons of all of Europe, excluding Russia and whatever the US
was willing to give, basically turning it into a world war and Zelensky agreed.
So basically a semi-world-war has been started by the US/UK, because they refuse a small portion of a half-Russian nation
to hold a referendum so that they could leave, because they thought a coup was undemocratic and didn't like
an oppressive anti-Russian regime change when they themselves are Russian
and viewed as Russians, not just by themselves.
Iran is quite lacking on human rights too.
Iran has had countless of attempts by the US/UK to recoup the country
after a pro-sovereignty countercoup ended the rule of the Shah.
All "human rights violations" are simply retaliations against deadly attacks by paid protesters,
and CIA-astroturfed bestseller authors.
Meanwhile the US is deploying the military because people protested against police raids that deports legal immigrants out of the country and before that protests against their regime deeply supporting a genocide.
These reactions and types of protests are incomparable.
And you can see how incomparable they are when you just look at the protest chants and media pictures taken.
Hong Kong protests for example came out of nowhere, used the flimsiest excuse to overthrow the government,
with false claims and demands that far exceeded the Jan 6 insurrection claims and demands and just happened
to be hyperorganized with its leaders constantly flying to the US to pick up awards.
Imagine US protest leaders flying to China to pick up human rights awards for protesting...