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Russia just accidentally admitted to its staggering troop losses in Ukraine

kyivindependent.com Russia just accidentally admitted to its staggering troop losses in Ukraine

A senior Russian official on June 19 inadvertently confirmed the staggering troop losses incurred by Moscow's forces during its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. In an interview with CNN, Russian Ambassador to the U.K. Andrey Kelin was asked about Moscow's maximalist intentions in Ukraine and its abi...

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War is basically all logistics and the value Ukraine is getting out of their drone program is insane
- Honestly when they’re done, that manufacturing capacity will do great things for their economy.
  
  God knows we'll need every little bit to rebuild
  
  It's what many says, Europe needs Ukraine for many reasons and a big one is (sadly), their knowledge about a mordern war.
  
  Then they can become the world's supplier of battle-tested drones.
  
  The shareholders will benefit greatly from more war.
  
  Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.
- Ukraine playing it smart and understanding how modern warfare is done. Russia only throwing in more and more soldiers.
  
  In Russia’s defence, who could have possibly have thought that invading Ukraine in the winter wasn’t going to be a simple 3 day weekend kind of thing?
  
  It works though, that's why they keep doing it. It's slow as hell and inhumane, but they can afford it for many more years I'd wager. Their capabilities of data gathering/transmission are much better these days as well. Also don't forget they set up wired drone production (in serious numbers at least) first, they can be smart at times.
  Underestimating them irl is pointless.
  
  Pulling a Napoleon when he went to Russia. Too cocky
- A man fighting for his home is worth 100 fighting for someone else's cause. Russia was never going to win the numbers game.
  
  I read that as a man fighting for his drone…
- I like to call it (Soviet) Star Wars: the Drone Wars (star for clarity)

Here's to a million more.
- They don't all want to be there...
  
  Then don't sign up. 🤷 Article says they are being given incentives to sign up.

Russia it was already a mess before but considering their median age, after a 1mln loss they're as good as fucked.
Putin doesn't care about his country, but Russians then?
- They don't care either. The majority, that is, there are some good apples who left the bunch
- Tho’ it is hard – the earthly load,
  The Cart is easy in its move,
  The reckless couch-time, on road,
  Will not get of his bench above.
  In early morn we take our places;
  We glad to break our empty head,
  And leaving leisure for the races,
  We cry, “Go on, you idler, damned!”
  At noon, our bravery’s diminished;
  We have been tossed and more afraid
  Of slopes, steep, and ravines, peevish,
  And cry, “Be easier, you, brat!”
  The cart rolls in the former fashion,
  By evening, we have used to it,
  Wait for night lodgings, doze, patient, –
  And Time tends horses to full speed.
  -- Pushkin, "The cart of life", translated by Yevgeny Bonver
  tl;dr it doesn't really matter the cart keeps on racing until it crashes. And then they Slav it back up and it keeps on racing. Nobody knows who or what the fuck actually holds the reigns. Also that "go on, you ildler, damned" does not give the profanity used in the original credit. Like, not even close. English isn't capable of it.

For context, the America lost about 55,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War, which lasted about 10-12 years. Russian has already lost at least 600,000 in a couple of years.
- The article does not say that there have been 600k casualties. It says there are 600k fighting in Ukraine.
  Where did you get "already lost at least 600,000"?
  
  I agree that the 600K figure is a mis-read of the article; however:
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  According to figures from Ukraine's General Staff, Russia has lost 217,440 troops since Jan. 1, 2025. The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses. "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.
  I am generally inclined to believe Ukraine’s official figures of over 1 million dead, injured or captured Russian soldiers so far in this “3 day special military operation”.
- Its says 600,000 dead, wounded or missing in action and also usa wasnt the only one at war with north vietnam, they had help from their puppet south vietnam

Kelin was then asked about Russian army recruitment.
"I'm not a specialist in this area, but as I understand it we have 50-60,000 a month, those volunteers who are coming, recruiting, posting, and they would like to get engaged in this thing (in Ukraine)," he replied.
He did not explain why the size of the Russian army fighting in Ukraine has gone down despite what would amount to around 250,000 extra troops being recruited and sent to the front since the beginning of the year.
From I figure, basically by giving recruitment numbers and total numbers in Ukraine, the West can calculate number of casualties, which the West figures is 1 million. Remember casualties includes injured.
- Ukraine has been keeping a tally of Russian losses since pretty early on, and it's been pretty much perfectly accurate.

Reminds of of that scene in tiberian sun when NOD installs the new AI
EVA: "Casualties rates unacceptable, this course of action -"
Anton: "stop, Activate the reprogramming"
EVA:"Casualty rates well within acceptable parameters"
I get the feeling they take ww2 loses before they even notice.

It alludes to the staggering number in the title and in the abstract but does not give the number which means it's clickbait.
- The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses. "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.

What a fucking waste.

I keep reading about how Russia's economy is on the brink of collapse just like how I keep reading about how Trump's voters are turning on him. I believe that both are (somewhat) true, but I don't think anything will come from either one.

So there's a stable inflow and outflow. I wonder what fractions are dead, wounded (disabled permanently), wounded (temporary), and retired (back to civilian life in one form or another, likely traumatized).
Alternatively, Russia is building up a massive army outside of Ukraine. That seems unlikely though, there's no news about that, I'll discard that hypothesis for now.

Maybe they should pull out of the region entirely.

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