UK police probe Bob Vylan's festival chants against Israeli military, as US revokes band's visas

Today on the menu we have pureed Hitler à la Inglorious basterds.

Oh, don't discount the Racism.

People aren't being investigated by police for criticizing Russia.

If it was only about money, they wouldn't have reacted as they did to Russia's invasion of Ukraine given all the money many were making from Russian fossil fuels and mineral wealth.

The big difference in the reaction to Russia's Genocide in Ukraine and to Israel's Genocide in Gaza (which is way worse both in numbers and in how many of the civilians being murdered are small children) is that in Ukraine the victims are Whites as are the aggressors whilst in Gaza the victims are (brown) Muslims whilst the aggressors are Whites.

At least amongst the power elites, especially in places like the US, UK and Germany, White Colonialism isn't just this old 19th century practice we fortunatelly left behind, rather it's a way of viewing the world which very much alive and widelly held.

Also excludes pretty much every establishment Democrat

Also excludes quite a lot of Liberals - a lot of people who've been brainwashed over the last 3 decades with the fake "leftwing" idea that "it's not Racism if your descriminiatory acts and judgements favor those of specific races rather than disfavor those of specific races", are having trouble processing the situation were the self-proclaimed representatives of an ethnic group they've learned to see as "victims" and "good people" are actually committing an extreme Genocide along ethnic lines.

I mean, many have change to the Humanist position that "people should be judged and treated based solely on what they support and they do, independently of race", by many if not most are still ridding the whole "the entire race are victims" idea and de facto supporting Genocide by attacking the critics of the depraved genocidal actions of the self-proclaimed representatives of the "victim race".

This shit would have never reached this level if it was only the openly Fascist being Racist.

No, chanting death to Nazi was never controversial. It wouldn't even be controversial if it was death to the Russian army .

You are denying Palestinians right to self defense by opposing the chant death to the IDF

I guarantee you can find droves of zionists that say "free Palestine" implies the destruction of Israel and is therefore antisemitic.

Not sure, but on a side point I reject any "anti semitism" claim because:

1. usually its just used to try to silence you
2. they're the ones anti semitic because Palestinians and arabs are semitic.

So maybe actually we should re-purpose antisemitism.

Good question. It’s a venn diagram of Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism, and anti-Palestinian hate.

Whatever it is, the only way to win this battle is for people to start using that new word to call out people who are quite obviously hateful. With enough use of the word over the years, it will have the same shameful effect as what they have done with the word the other side uses

Did they say "IDF" or "IDF members/staff"? IDF isn't a person, so maybe it's more of a metaphorical death, as in dismantle the IDF.

I dunno.

It may not be legally ok, but it is definitely morally ok to incite (and perform) violence against a genocidal force.

Crime is only legal if there's a war. Or if you're a cop. Or are rich and influential.

They are engaging in an absolutely ridiculous campaign of gaslighting. It's so outlandish and over-the-top that it would actually be hilarious if it was on a lighter subject matter rather than genocide, terrorism, and a litany of war crimes.

An article on the same topic:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/how-the-ap-stylebook-warps-reality-to-serve-power

They should be more neutral in a non-opinion piece. They quote a lot more people saying pro-genocide things than they quote people saying anti-genocide things. They quoted pro-genocide politicians and pro-genocide BBC staff. They did not give the musicians any opportunity to respond to the article.

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza has inflamed tensions around the world, triggering pro-Palestinian protests in many capitals and on college campuses. Israel and some supporters have described the protests as antisemitic, while critics say Israel uses such descriptions to silence opponents

Let's consider the two positions mentioned in this paragraph:

1. Israel should stop committing genocide
2. Israel should continue committing genocide, and position 1 is antisemitic

The first position is described as "pro-Palestinian", as if these protesters support the Palestinian military (Hamas) and want them to win. This is incorrect. These people mostly just want the genocide to end.

The second position is a shitty opinion, but also contains an overt falsehood. It's an objective fact that it's false, and that fact should be reported in the story, but it isn't.

Fuck that is an awesome design.

Shame it (a) appears to be cotton (not the material I want to be running in), and (b) is sold out.

Wait, I thought we hated Shopify? (Cause of the data breach.)

Thank you, fixed it in my post 🙏

Holy shit, that's good.

In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant "Death, death to the SS!"?

Um... Yeah. I'm thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn't and their bootlickers would follow suit.

“Death, death to the SS!”?

What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?

It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don't?

Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn't limited. What's happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?

You're gonna compare chants at a festival to MLK? Come on.