7d ago

A little more control ceded to the fascists, and we'll have a REAL Revolutionary Crisis(tm) which we can use to Right This Country!

The Democratic People's Republic of Tankiejerk @lemmy.world

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It's the "Hit Rock Bottom and Turn Your Life Around" narrative. But it's BS - there is no rock bottom. Things can always get worse. There is no miraculous cure. You need to make change happen.

Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is... increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population
Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they'll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we'll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That's how Popular Support works!
Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that's boring and doesn't make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.
Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.
- Meanwhile, I'm here saying "both".
  Do both.
  Actually go help your neighbor in person. Directly. Personally. Help your fucking neighbor.
  If you want Lefties excited to go vote, give us something to vote for instead of against where the Centrist Libs concede to the Fash every god damn time.
  What are your thoughts on Zohran Mamdani? Give me candidates like that, and I'll bring 20 non-voters to the polls, and each will cast a ballot.
  Give me another Clinton, another Cuomo, another Biden? Sorry, when I vote, I vote alone - and this isn't up to me.
  Which way, Western Man? Grow the voter base, grow the party? or grow the campaign warchest from donors that want both sides indebted to their lobbyists?
  How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.
  In the meantime, have you made a sandwich to give away to a stranger? Have you handed a history book to a stranger? Have you had conversations about WHY Fascism doesn't address our neighbors' needs?
  Your lack of groundwork is disturbing. For as much as you care, you come off like a filthy Casual this way. Let's fix that?
  
  How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.
  God, I just want to crush the neoliberals, to hear the lamentations of their political commentators, to see their empty suits driven before me, on ONE fucking primary before I die.
- Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.
- What is groundwork? I haven't heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?
  
  Getting ready, essentially; 'groundwork' as in 'preparing the ground for a building'. Propaganda, conversations, organization, convincing people, the basic, preliminary steps to action.

I'm convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
Just look at the French, their government is terrified of it's people.
- I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
  That may be so, but if so, it's probably best not to strengthen the repressive reactionary entity you're planning on squaring up against.
  
  And you should most definitely not discuss any real plans of action on open, public forums like Lemmy. Find a private, closed, and encrypted service that can be trusted and use that.
  
  Definitely a good point.
  
  Who, precisely, are you accusing of this and how do you think they are strengthrning the regime?

Are there any peole actually advocating to do nothing? How many accelerationists do you really think there are?
- There's been a lot of positivity about Zohran Mamdani lately. A socialist winning even just a primary in the largest city in America is a big threat. So there's currently a big push to tamp down on that and portray the movement as politically unviable and a handout to the far-right.
- How long have you been on this site? Nearly every day there's someone putting forward the "Aktually, Trump winning is GOOD because now The Left Will Truly Rise As Was Foretold"
  
  Long enough to know that's bullshit. You sure you aren't just browsing a specific instance? I browse the all variant cause I want to see what people are thinking broadly without getting in too much of an echochamber, and I don't think I've seen even one.
- No. There isn't. This is just an incredibly flimsy strawman argument that fails to conceptualize that there are alternatives to voting when it comes to exerting one's political will.
  
  I've genuinely met people who say that voting does nothing yet take zero other actions to better their situation.

Holy Strawman Batman!
- Would you like me to quote some folks on this very site?
  
  You can quote me if you want, I can guarantee you'll somehow manage to misread "Democrats lots because they didn't hold a primary and ran a bad candidate rather than admit that the former candidate was sundowning" as somehow being my fault. XD

You need another no Kings protest. Do it again Super effective
- What, more boring groundwork? If it doesn't overthrow the government immediately, what good is it?
  
  What groundwork? I see more of the DSA and communist parties at 50501s than Democrats.
  
  If it doesn’t act quickly it will be no good as they are fortifying their positions.
  
  But protesting is how we win. Did you not see the Democrats during the state of the Union speech. Did you see the Booker marathon reading. George Floyd protest. No Kings. That port shut down whatever the fuck that was. Occupy. Occupy 2. The woman's March.

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