Fuck AI @lemmy.world

2d ago

I'm sure this has been posted here before, but it's too good not to repost.

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I'm sure it's a repost, but i always love to see it lol
- I do to, it always ruffles a bunch of feathers.
  
  The volume on the ruffling is up since last time, which i find very interesting. Like even if you made this bit about something i did, like websearching, i wouldn't get so tilted.
  I wonder what it is about llms that gets people so defensive.

Let's be honest though if there were sex bots AI would be even more popular than it already is
- Well I have news for you, my friend.
  (Shows all the weird sex AI chatbots)
  
  Nah, man. That won't cut it.
  The day real doll bots can suck dick without me doing anything but watch and enjoy, that's the day I'll get one and become asocial.

oh poor baby

Played around with music stuff out of curiosity. Will not be using it in the future, unless it can be used to make editing easier (splicing sections, decreasing volume in specific sections, altering instruments, etc), but that is already easier than ever with current technology. AI lacks soul and it just sounds too… mathematical, if that makes sense. Glad I never had the desire to use it for anything else.
ETA: grammar

"If only I'd programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!"
- NOOOOOOOOOOO

Your Brain on ChatGPT
…LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use... LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.
Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.
- They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.
  Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.
  
  Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009
  Genuinely the weirdest flex I have ever seen.
- I remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn't figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole and he tried to insert a cube into a round hole, I don't remember exactly, but it's not so funny when it becomes reality... In any case, due to excessive comfort or convenience, the human brain, so to speak, adapts in the bad sense of the word to what is easier.
  
  remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole
  Idiocracy - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
  
  and that is exactly why rich people are demonstrably dumber and more disconnected than most: their life contains far fewer challenges they actually have to overcome.
- Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.
  
  LLMs are less replacing the need for log tables, and more replacing the need to understand why you need a log table. Less replacing a calculator and more replacing the fundamental understanding of math. Sure, you could argue that it doesn't matter if people know math, and in the end you might be right. But given that ChatGPT can and will spit out random numbers instead of a real answer, I'd rather have someone who actually understands math be designing buildings, people who actually understand anatomy and medicine being surgeons. Sure, a computer science guy cheating with ChatGPT through school and his entire career probably won't be setting anyone back other than himself and the companies that hire him, but they aren't the only ones using the "shortcut" that is ChatGPT
  
  Better comparison would be opening a song on radio and saying "see I can produce music." You still don't know about music production in the end.
  
  There’s a key difference between using a tool to crunch a known mathematical equation (because you cannot just say “find X” to the calculator) and having to punch in the right inputs - ergo requiring understanding - and simply asking the teacher for the answer.
  Treat AI like the hermit oracle/shaman/divinator of yesteryear, and you’ll get the same results - idiots who don’t know how to think for themselves, and blindly accept what they are told.

The goddamn meta commercial where the dad is asking, "meta, how do I get my toddler to eat breakfast" makes me wants to implode every fucking time. Like you can't feed your kid?
- If you can't outsmart a child, do we have a product for you!!!!
- Like you can’t feed your kid?
  Tell me how you haven't raised a child, without telling me you haven't raised a child.
  Those little fuckers are insistent, and you'll think "I'll just out-energy them"... No, no, you don't. They will make your life hell, if you don't know what you're doing, and you may not know because you've got into a routine, but those little shits will change their behaviour every few weeks, and you will have to keep up, while only getting 5 or 6 hours of sleep per night (if you're lucky).
  I can very much imagine parents asking an LLM for help. People don't just instantly turn retarded, and can just reject an answer if it doesn't help.
- My son was born with a heart defect. VSD if you're curious. Basically, the most important thing is to eat, gain weight, and outgrow it. What do you think is the one thing we can't get him to do? He's now 8 years old and just a hair over 50 pounds. He's normal height for his age, but skinny as a rail. He refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggets and french fries, and a handful of other things, the only vegetable we can get him to eat is carrots. Yes, I've googled how to feed him a few times, but without much success.
  
  The response from the ai in the advertisement is "he likes it when you make funny faces".
  It has nothing to do with researching conditions, or other parental resources one may need.
  "Googling" (may I suggest folks change this language, I like ecosia.org for my searches) things you may want to know more about, and being able to verify where the information came from, is a lot different than asking a glorified alexa for advice on basic human tasks.
- I won't pretend I didn't Google things, but it was mainly getting them to sleep. When you aren't sleeping, desperation is a very real thing.
  Eating though, I like to use "This is the next thing you eat" on my kids.
- where the fuck are meta commercials popping up
  
  Hbo and Netflix, probably during the sports games my husband watches.
- Not sure how that is different to googling it
  
  "he likes it when you make funny faces"

This is such a weird take.
Oh poor baby, you need a wittle spell check to make sure you don't mess up the words in your important email?
Oh little loser, you gotta have an automatic transmission to make the car go vroom vroom?
Oh Mr. has-a-life, you have to pull out Shazam instead of knowing 8 million songs by heart?
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don't want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy "good enough" results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI's ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn't allow low-effort meme posts because it's such a brain rot circle-jerk.
- The author is an illustrator from what I remember. It's a totally valid point. Automatic transmission is one thing. Wasting resources on creating an image or an essay is wasteful and everyone should realize this.
- Damn you cry alot.
- I don't think the tweet is about technology in general. It is specifically targeting one technology, so I don't think it impedes "thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence." There are good uses of AI, certainly. Replacing the human effort necessary for art and writing, though, are definitely not good uses. A big part of what makes art important is that it is effortful - that is why people react so negatively to some postmodern and modern art that doesn't look like it took great skill to make. As for writing - the only point of writing an essay is to achieve human-to-human connection. Using ChatGPT for stereo instructions is maybe inaccurate, but not bad in the way that using ChatGPT for an essay is bad. That is why the "do you need chat gpt to fuck your wife" zinger hits: you are replacing human interactions with some bullshit gadget.
- You hit the nail on the head. The irrational hatred in this sub can't beat logic.
- Yeah, think I'm going to go ahead and block this sub.
- The loss of skill requirements within trades and crafts is likely a major factor in the cascades of ineptitude we experience in our society. The barriers to entry also directly benefitted the quality of those spaces, and naturally flagged the incompetent (if you are incompetent and lack spell check, your mis-spellings served as a demonstration that you are not a skilled writer. Same for driving, musical recognition, engineering as well).
  We've seen a clear decline in the general quality of all products, and I can't help but feel that the automation of skill is directly connected to that decline. This tweet seems to mirror that sentiment in its mockery. You don't have to think anymore about pretty much any of the process, you just get an output you can ship immediately. So it goes without saying that you can be without any skill and still have a footprint within spaces you have no merit to be in.
  
  Well said. I don't remember the exact headline, but I skimmed an article that said recent graduates are having trouble getting jobs because many entry-level tasks are being automated. This will be a huge problem in a few years because entry-level jobs are the training for upper level jobs. LLMs are not cut out for work that takes careful analysis and communication, and they are useless for tasks where accuracy matters. How do managers propose that we fill those jobs if they won't train entry-level employees?
  
  The decline in general quality of products is because corporate wants you to buy the same thing over and over again. Quality doesn’t matter.
  
  What kind of evidence are you seeing that there is a loss in skill requirements and lowered barriers to entry?
- What do you mean "don't want"?
  ChaosGPT, build me a time machine!
- You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we've got that now. Great...
  
  I don't think automatic transmissions are in any way responsible for car centric urban planning, Europe has plenty of it and the transition to automatics is very slow and quite recent.
  I agree far too many people are allowed to drive when they shouldn't but people dying on the road is more socially acceptable than stringent standards for being allowed to operate lethal machines at insanely high speeds (in terms of kinetic energy at least).
  
  We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it?
  🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I'll read and respond just as soon as I'm able.
  Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art?
  🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
  If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren't "good enough," then you aren't really defending art or artists at all.
- bruh, it's literally a mockery. they are mocking the ineptitude of people who use AI.
  way to overanalyze a tweet.
  
  "You're using your brain too much, just enjoy the 'hUmOr'" as a defense of this is ironically the funniest thing in this thread.
- and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques
  No, it doesn't. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
  
  You want to get mad at how capitalist distort inventions into profit machines that continue to enshitify our lives so they can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Go right ahead but acting like a tool that is helpful in summarization and translation is some terrible plight on humanity is just simply put complete brain rot.
  
  Ok, keep religion out of it. Be real.

I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn't follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn't show up on their cellphone's navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.
If you don't use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.
- I have this problem with a bunch of new hires. I'll show them another way to do something and they'll ask, oh where was that written down? I said Just think about what I just did and how it makes sense, its not written down this is a neat trick i'm showing you. I swear there is no creativity or critical thinking anymore, just a bunch of automatons that follow protocol to the letter and the second there is a situation outside those very narrow parameters they just implode. Someone had to figure all of this out at one point and make the protocol in the first place, sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
  
  I have this problem with a bunch of new hires.
  sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
  They probably think they aren't paid enough to care so much to actually exert mental effort beyond strict requests and step by step and don't expect to have a future to look forward to so why worry about progressing in a career?
  Because that's how I treat my job. I don't get paid nearly enough to try beyond the absolute bare fucking minimum.
  
  Humans are unlearning how to adapt.
- We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.
  
  We need to teach people curiosity.
  This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.
- Pretty sure this has been happening for decades. The "problem" (it's not a problem) is navigation systems, not LLMs.
  
  I don't think they were blaming AI for the inability to follow directions without a GPS... They were making an analogy.
  
  The root issue is the same, which is: to delegate more and more rational thought to machines.

They will monetize those chatbots.
And I want to see how many will pull out their wallet when it happens.
And I worry it will be almost every hardcore user, for the fear of being left out and performing worse than anyone else.
The trap is set, it has sprung, and now we wait will the owner comes for the feast.
- They will monetize those chatbots.
  They already did? They have premium plans, pro plans, free plans, etc.
  
  I mean they will disable the free version.

Can it maybe just give her an orgasm for me? I'm way to lazy to do it myself.
/it's sarcasm, you dumb fuck
- me doublefisting magic wands

Love it.
Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.
- Steve Jobs also thought eating fruit could cure cancer...
- I'd say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don't have any control, it can break down easily, you're moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.
- Damn, that's a good metaphor. Gonna steal that for myself.
- this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won't become "dependent" on wheelchairs because they'll realize how miserable life is when you're barred from most public establishments.
  most of the people perceived as "faking it" are just disabled people who can't afford a diagnosis or won't be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.
  
  You make a good point.
  I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience). I live in a country with socialized medicine so i am not used to cost being a barrier to care, and i didn’t consider the american context.
  you are definitely right that i am looking at wheelchairs the wrong way. i agree that they are liberating for many people. lately i have been pushing a stroller and it opened my eyes the tiniest bit to how many places are hostile to anything on wheels. i can barely imagine the access challenges that a person in a chair faces. the metaphor i used was totally off the mark in that respect.
  i will let my comment stand, but i will think about what you said and try to be better.
  
  This metaphor is a … metaphor and does not say or imply anyone is pushing wheelchairs on able bodies people or that a significant amount of wheelchair users does not need them.
  
  But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?
  I don't think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren't being pushed onto anyone isn't really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don't think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for "faking it." Just saying that if you don't need a wheelchair, it's probably a bad idea to use one.

Watch Wall-e to remind society how lazy and dependent on AI can end up.
- Amazing documentary. Really enlightened me about current reality. \s

I will honestly not be surprised if in a few years we have young to middle aged people who have become so dependent on "AI" that they'll be forced into assisted living homes because they are unable to function without it.
- Ehhhh. Sorta? Not in the way that I think you think. This will be a thing, but it'll be for people who were otherwise mentally disabled.
  You'd be surprised the mental diversity of adults, especially in the US. Like apparently some fraction of adults with a whole number on the denominator are functionally illiterate, yet they don't need assisted living homes.
  
  As if the USA would provide that service for them. Many people do need help but instead live in squalor and are often only cared for, if at all, by burnt-out family members while everyone involved lives well below the poverty line.
  It’s not a good place.
- It's like a mashup between Wall-e and The Matrix.
  But like, a gross mashup of only the worst parts.
- this is already happening to disabled youth under any administration, no need for a hypothetical AI takeover scenario.
  
  It is?

Well yeah I don't know how to make pictures myself so yeah
- WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU DON'T ALSO HAVE TIME TO BECOME AN ARTIST BESIDES BEING ALREADY SPECIALISED IN SOMETHING ELSE!?
  Angrily downvotes ^/s

I almost spit out my breakfast in laughter. Thanks for this one, OP. 😂

Don't dom me into AI 😭
- If that's all it takes for you to give up critical thought, you have far more problems than you'd ever care to admit.
  
  ~~Relax I'm making a dumb joke~~. Actually you're always free to insult me more
  
  I would give up critical thought for someone degrading me any day of the week

Hey don't kink shamem
- kink shamem
  Hah... typo or intentional?

Relevant: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-I2y09JUiJ/

This level of hate is sort of astonishing and also worrying. Doesn't seem healthy.
- Seems more like mockery than hate.
- We can assume you "love" AI then?
  
  Obviously you already do. You'd be wrong though, I'm very worried about this tool and who gets to control it. And I'm certain this emotional approach is the wrong strategy, as is lobbying about copyright that will make AI models a monopoly in the hands of the plutocrats.
- Yeah it's completely wacky hating on people for using some dumb chatbot.
  People would rather hate their neighbor than confront the actual problem - the overwhelming oppression of capitalism, imperialism, etc. Those are the actual reasons why "AI" is terrible.
  
  Those are the actual reasons why “AI” is terrible.
  My main problem with it is how confidently incorrect it constantly is, and the fact that the media ignores this completely and pushes this "AI is smart" shit to the point where the average person doesn't understand that LLMs are just glorified autocomplete.
  
  If AI would make people stupider even without capitalism, imperialism, whatever, then no those are not the only reasons AI is terrible. Making people stupider is terrible. We have brains for a reason. The things we do with those brains are what gives life value. Depending on a technology to think for us is deeply unwise, and a person doing so will become deeply unwell.
  
  Yeah that comes to mind, a tactic in fascism is to project the hate of people onto someone or something, away from the actual origins of oppression.
  People are frustrated and don't know where to put it. Of course it's fine to vent, but this post in particular "hates the sinner, not the sin". It even calls AI users a cuck.

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