3mo ago

'There are no plans to drop support for SteamOS': The Finals devs commit to Steam Deck and Linux players despite new kernel-level anti-cheat

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3mo ago

'There are no plans to drop support for SteamOS': The Finals devs commit to Steam Deck and Linux players despite new kernel-level anti-cheat | PC Gamer

www.pcgamer.com /games/fps/there-are-no-plans-to-drop-support-for-steamos-the-finals-devs-commit-to-steam-deck-and-linux-players-despite-new-kernel-level-anti-cheat/

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keep your anticheat code off my cpu and on the server where it belongs.
wtf.
why is this so fucking hard for developers to understand?
- Actually, it's probably management who won't right-size budgets.
  Fuck.
- Nah I can't agree with this. I don't think there are many games with anti-cheats solely on the server. Even Valve has its VAC.
  I agree that Kernel anti-cheats are bullshit, I don't want a rootkit on my system. But if you are already running a closed-source game, it's not a stretch to run its local anti-cheat.
  And local anti-cheats make sense in and of themselves since you can't easily detect things like visual hacks from the server-side.
  
  You misunderstand a few key things about the points I made, I think. In particular the bit about not being able to trust the client that it is running the code you think it is.
- Why is it so hard to understand that code on your CPU is far more effective?
  
  Citation needed.
  Not sure how or why MY cpu is supposed to do the work a company should do to provide a decent online experience. Especially when the server, where all the clients are coordinated, is the best place to analyze the data stream for anomalies. Not to mention you just cannot ever trust the client to be running the the code it says it is on the hardware it says it is. The server is where anti-cheat has always belonged. (And tbh just sending the right data to the right clients would win half the fucking battle.)
I honestly really like the finals. If they're this based I can't wait to see a single player game from them.
- Based
  Use AI instead of paying voice actors
  That’s a pass from me, dog
  
  I though they were paid voice actors? I'm pretty sure they had credits in the game.
- You might be waiting a while for that. Venture capital funded and so far have made a Battle Royale and an Extraction Shooter. Will probably be a Survival game next if a new trend doesn't come along first.
  
  Battle Royale? Do you think the finals is a battle royale? Do you know what a battle royale even is? Because the finals is pretty obviously not a battle royale bro jfc.
I switched to Linux to get AWAY from root kits and corporate malware.
Best anti-cheat is to run games on local. Bring back LANs. Gaming on internet was a mistake xD
I hope LAN café become more popular.
For everyone who says we don't want ring 0 or kernel level "root kits" I would agree, but then whats the solution when you can easily defeat these anti cheat solutions by going kernel level?
Genuine question, is there a solution?
- What's more important? Stopping people cheating at games via technology or digital freedom to prevent all kinds power abuse? (Forced obsolescence, surveillance, anti-features, etc)
  https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/
  I don't care that much about games to be honest. If they get caught cheating, how about just legal action?
- There's many solutions ive heard like
  Associating an account with a Gov ID so bans are more permanent
  Maybe a reputation system? get kicked enough, or downvoted enough and you get permabanned
  many channels like ltt on the wan show and SomeOrdinayGamers (and many others) have talked about it extensively, but there's always a drawback
  All these options are based on some level of trust with someone or something and can be easily taken advantage of, but these are concepts nonetheless.
  
  I dont know why the first solution is even a suggestion. It's worse than having kernel/ring 0 anti cheat. You're literally associating yourself by your real identity
- There is a 2-part solution:
  Build a game people enjoy playing more than winning.
  If you need an anti-cheat solution, design one on a server side.
  
  You can't expect the assholes who need to win to "just enjoy the game" when they aren't playing multiplayer games for that reason.
  As for point 2, every server-sode solution I've seen has just not worked lol. RuneScape comes to mind when I think of how much that seems to fail
Cheating has gotten pretty bad on this game, it really hurts the experience. Do I like giving someone this much access to my hardware; no. But i love the shit out of this game and i'll take that risk to keep the small dick cheaters out of my lobbies.

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